TRon Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 We are in for some hard times ahead which is not really Pardew's fault as the squad is lacking quality and numbers up front. It's a good test of the manager's ability to come up with an effective way of playing with what we've got left. No one expects miracles but we should be able to get the 2-3 wins we need to stay up. I hope yesterday was a one off though because I expected us to show a lot more desire than that. In the second half we just wilted which isn't a good sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Pardew's come in for quite a lot of stick from the off for apparently lying about when he was first approached for the job, but who in football has ever admitted to being tapped up? It's part of the fabric of the game, but the code is you never admit to it publicly. In my view he's no more guilty than anyone else on that score. I think no manager will ever have it easy working alongside this regime on the transfer front and then have to front up to the fans for the decisions, or lack of them. Keegan revealed that his recommendations were constantly being undermined. We can't know to what degree that may or may not have happened again this time. One thing in common with all the windows since Ashley took over is that there never seems to have been any recognisable plan. It could be that the managers have had one, but they've been let down by those doing (or on purpose not doing) the deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheSummerOf69 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Pardew's come in for quite a lot of stick from the off for apparently lying about when he was first approached for the job, but who in football has ever admitted to being tapped up? It's part of the fabric of the game, but the code is you never admit to it publicly. In my view he's no more guilty than anyone else on that score. You don't have to brazenly lie as the first thing you do when you get a job, though. You just brush the questions off, like Hughton would. Pardew told lies on the first day he got the job, then spent every other day telling us how there was "100%" no way on Earth that Carroll was leaving and how he'll get transfer funds and players out of Ashley. Instead we lose Carroll, send Routledge out on loan, and get just one (washed-up and injured) player in on loan. so he's either a lying c*** or a stupid c***. f*** it, he's both. Looks that way to me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Does anyone get the impression from his interviews, though he will occasionally say the right things, that he just doesn't really give a damn. When we win, I'm sure he's happy, but if we lose I don't think he loses any sleep over it - he gets paid after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Scoreboard Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I wish he would just keep his mouth shut for once http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11678_6725132,00.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 He is starting to dig a hole for himself. Only been here 6 weeks as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 What a defeatist tw*t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Scoreboard Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 If I was the Cynical type I would view that as an invitation to come and get him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Does anyone get the impression from his interviews, though he will occasionally say the right things, that he just doesn't really give a damn. When we win, I'm sure he's happy, but if we lose I don't think he loses any sleep over it - he gets paid after all. That interview definitely smells like Pardew is inviting bids for Tiote, probably Enrique as well going by other reports. This makes me think that Ashley is going to fuck off soon but will grab some cash for the "family jewels" before he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Don't necassarily disagree with anything he's saying there but it does kinda put him in the shop window. He's basically said that we're not in a position to keep our best players. I know we've just lost Carroll - but that was for an astronomical fee. Attaching the same potential scenario to Tiote is a bit defeatest. Sigh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 not news to me, they're all for sale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Does anyone get the impression from his interviews, though he will occasionally say the right things, that he just doesn't really give a damn. When we win, I'm sure he's happy, but if we lose I don't think he loses any sleep over it - he gets paid after all. That interview definitely smells like Pardew is inviting bids for Tiote, probably Enrique as well going by other reports. This makes me think that Ashley is going to fuck off soon but will grab some cash for the "family jewels" before he does. Lets hope so, I'd lose Tiote, Enrique, HBA, whoever as long as that would happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 It's an extremely harsh way of looking at it, but if losing our best players enables us to wash our hands of Ashley, Llambias, Pardew* and the whole messed up shebang - then it's something i think i could just about bare; as horrible as it would be to see the likes of Colo and Jose go. There's been whisperings of Pardew's appointment acting as a catalyst to clear out the high-earners. I'm not sure whether or not to believe it but i think it's feasible. *I'm prepared to give him some time in the short-term, but there's no way this guy is the long-term vision for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 It's an extremely harsh way of looking at it, but if losing our best players enables us to wash our hands of Ashley, Llambias, Pardew* and the whole messed up shebang - then it's something i think i could just about bare; as horrible as it would be to see the likes of Colo and Jose go. There's been whisperings of Pardew's appointment acting as a catalyst to clear out the high-earners. I'm not sure whether or not to believe it but i think it's feasible. losing a few good players would be a small price to pay for potentially getting our club back imo. we'll still be here after they're gone and we all know we're a big enough club to be challenging at the right end with decent ownership Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 It's an extremely harsh way of looking at it, but if losing our best players enables us to wash our hands of Ashley, Llambias, Pardew* and the whole messed up shebang - then it's something i think i could just about bare; as horrible as it would be to see the likes of Colo and Jose go. There's been whisperings of Pardew's appointment acting as a catalyst to clear out the high-earners. I'm not sure whether or not to believe it but i think it's feasible. losing a few good players would be a small price to pay for potentially getting our club back imo Aye, that's what i mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 They are starting to create a problem for themselves talking like that. Saying that we have to sell players because that is the position we are in for the forseeable future will just invite bids. The club sells a couple of the players but what about the other players who are aware that there are bids in for them - I can imagine them starting rto agitate for a move. You cannot build for the future if you keep tearing the team apart instead of evolving and adding a player gradually to improve the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 They are starting to create a problem for themselves talking like that. Saying that we have to sell players because that is the position we are in for the forseeable future will just invite bids. The club sells a couple of the players but what about the other players who are aware that there are bids in for them - I can imagine them starting rto agitate for a move. You cannot build for the future if you keep tearing the team apart instead of evolving and adding a player gradually to improve the team. Ashley is not building for the future though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Pardew is only doing what his mates want him to do, if they tell him to sell than that's what will happen, I can't stand having him at our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Pardew is only doing what his mates want him to do, if they tell him to sell than that's what will happen, I can't stand having him at our club. He's got no power as you say. He was desperate for the job coming with the situation he was in. There's plenty of managers who can bargain with/blackmail owners but Pardew can't... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Pardew putting pressure on Ashley. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Am I the only person who reads those quotes as completely the opposite to defeatist and "come and get him"? To me, it reads like he's trying to put pressure on Ashley not to accept any bids. I think his only failing so far is that he's too open and honest in his interviews, that it comes back to bite him. We've just brought in £35 million, why should he have to put pressure on his mate by talking to the press? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 why are people worrying about the summer transfer window a week after the jan one closed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Pardew is only doing what his mates want him to do, if they tell him to sell than that's what will happen, I can't stand having him at our club. Agree with this. I'm amused by the naive people who think that Pardew is being shit on by Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Nothing wrong with those comments really. All he's saying is that if there's another silly money bid for someone like Tiote, right now they'd probably take it. Silly money being anything north of £20m I'd assume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 why are people worrying about the summer transfer window a week after the jan one closed Maybe they are wondering whether to invest in season tickets for next season and they are worried what the state of the team will be if more players are moved on! I actually think that Pardew is (or at least comes across) as as disillusioned as a lot of people about the whole Carroll thing. I think he's making it clear he doesn't want it to happen again. Then again, it's tricky trying to interpret things without actually hearing them said. Each to his own but I think Pardew is JFK the 2nd who has been hired to lie and bullshit the fans which he has done brilliantly in the last few weeks. 2 new players coming in blah blah blah..... no one leaving blah blah blah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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