Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Yet again, Pardew seems to be playing this game of running with the hare and riding with the hounds. If he feels that he's not being properly supported, he should quit. If he still trusts what he's being told, then he should stop trying to curry favour with the fans by this sort of 'hey, I know how you feel' type statement. He was quoted in the Times yesterday as saying that it was mistake for him to say that the club were '100 per cent' guaranteed to sign a striker - 'It's important that I put pressure (on the board) in any way I can. There was a little bit of that involved. I can say that publicly. But I still feel the enthusiasm we have generated at the start of the season has gone with the signing not coming in'. Well a) what are we to make of future statements by Pardew if he's admitted that he's been exaggerating the position in order to use pressure from the fans to force the board's hand? How can we trust what he's saying? and b) by creating this fuss over signing one striker rather than two (which is the reality of the situation), hasn't he played some part in any loss of enthusiasm? How exactly do the existing strikers (particularly Ba) feel about these very public votes of no-confidence? That's unless the 'loss of enthusiasm' bit is just more bullshit in order to put pressure on the board to deliver next time, which is a tactic he has admitted to employing. I think Pardew's judgement of football matters is very sound, but I wasn't completely surprised to read an earlier post that he fell out with some West Ham players, who considered him two-faced. Nolan gave a hint of that when it emerged that he was disappointed that Pardew didn't fight very hard to keep him, despite earlier statements about how valuable he was to the side. I just stopped reading there. So f***ing idiotic. Give over, man. Agree. Unbelievable that people think pardew should quit, when we ashleys back ups have previously included Hughton who was a lucky gamble based on nothing and kinnear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 When Shola has played for me, he has done terrific, and the same is true of Peter LovenkrandsWhat fucking sport has he been watching? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 It would have been better if he'd just kept quiet about Lovenkrands and Shola tbh. It's just rubbing our noses in the dirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Okay, I'll clarify my point. If you feel you're being fucked over by your boss, you have choices. You can grin and bear it or you can quit. What you shouldn't be doing is making these kind of strong public hints that you're not seeing eye to eye with your boss, with a whole load of vague statements. It's like he's trying to secure public support for some kind of private battle that he's facing. Pardew is being too clever by half here. He's liable to end up not being taken seriously by anybody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 As for the failure to sign a striker this is how I reckon things went PRdew 'we will sign a striker 100% guaranteed' PRdew 'we will sign a striker in the next week or so' PRdew 'we will sign a striker before the window closes' PRdew 'Derek, where's that striker I've been promising the fans? If we don't get one there's a chance they might turn on me' Llambsarse 'We can't have that, we need the fans on your side. Blame the board, they hate us anyway' PRdew 'Derek and Lee are trying very hard to sign a striker, they have assured me they will. It's down to them, nothing to do with me' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Okay, I'll clarify my point. If you feel you're being fucked over by your boss, you have choices. You can grin and bear it or you can quit. the idea that these are the only two credible choices is astonishingly stupid tbf. though quite entertaining to watch the mental contortions you put yourself through in order to defend the indefensible. one of the other alternatives is to try and effect change whatever way you can. i'd say pardew is pleased to have such a big job considering his career record is mediocre, so he's not going to give it up just yet. but that's not to say he's not disappointed in the board, as any manager in football would be working for such unprofessional clowns. for the next few months and going into the january window he'll be walking a tightrope, trying to engineer pressure for funds, using his influence both in public and behind closed doors, while at the same time trying to stay in the good books of his employers. won't be easy. not surprising that you are oblivious to this subtle and complex course of diplomacy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Okay, I'll clarify my point. If you feel you're being fucked over by your boss, you have choices. You can grin and bear it or you can quit. the idea that these are the only two credible choices is astonishingly stupid tbf. though quite entertaining to watch the mental contortions you put yourself through in order to defend the indefensible. one of the other alternatives is to try and effect change whatever way you can. i'd say pardew is pleased to have such a big job considering his career record is mediocre, so he's not going to give it up just yet. but that's not to say he's not disappointed in the board, as any manager in football would be working for such unprofessional clowns. for the next few months and going into the january window he'll be walking a tightrope, trying to engineer pressure for funds, using his influence both in public and behind closed doors, while at the same time trying to stay in the good books of his employers. won't be easy. not surprising that you are oblivious to this subtle and complex course of diplomacy. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Okay, I'll clarify my point. If you feel you're being fucked over by your boss, you have choices. You can grin and bear it or you can quit. the idea that these are the only two credible choices is astonishingly stupid tbf. though quite entertaining to watch the mental contortions you put yourself through in order to defend the indefensible. one of the other alternatives is to try and effect change whatever way you can. i'd say pardew is pleased to have such a big job considering his career record is mediocre, so he's not going to give it up just yet. but that's not to say he's not disappointed in the board, as any manager in football would be working for such unprofessional clowns. for the next few months and going into the january window he'll be walking a tightrope, trying to engineer pressure for funds, using his influence both in public and behind closed doors, while at the same time trying to stay in the good books of his employers. won't be easy. not surprising that you are oblivious to this subtle and complex course of diplomacy. I'm getting a bit tired of words being lifted out like this. I feel that if there is a battle, Pardew shouldn't be using these particular tactics. He's not actually saying that he doesn't trust the owner, but he seems to be trying to use the mistrust in which Ashley is held by the supporters, in order to strengthen his hand. It doesn't feel straight to me and it'll do no good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I'm getting a bit tired of words being lifted out like this. I feel that if there is a battle, Pardew shouldn't be using these particular tactics. He's not actually saying that he doesn't trust the owner, but he seems to be trying to use the mistrust in which Ashley is held by the supporters, in order to strengthen his hand. It doesn't feel straight to me and it'll do no good. Yeah, just give it a rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Pardew: Modern managers don't do deals by Lee Ryder, Evening ChronicleSep 10 2011 ALAN PARDEW believes that managers who have “full control†of football clubs in the modern game are in danger of becoming extinct. The Newcastle United manager insists his role is to identify players in his capacity as manager but unlike old school football management, Pardew admits his part in getting deals completed is limited. Pardew has came under fire from fans who feel he does not have enough input from the manager’s office. But he feels he is no different to Premier League bosses such as Arsene Wenger and Harry Redknapp, who also have to respect the moves of the money men. Pardew told the Chronicle: “Premier League managers doing the financial deals are getting lesser and lesser every year. “I did at Reading and West Ham, to a lesser extent. “It’s the same as every other Premier League manager. “Harry Redknapp probably did every deal 20 years ago – now he is the same position as myself. “It is Daniel Levy who does the deals at Spurs. “Arsene Wenger was on a coaching course in a foreign land when the deals for the August window were done. “The financial world is so complex, and so difficult.†Pardew gave more of an insight into his role and feels it can’t be all about signing players. The Toon manager, who goes into Monday’s encounter with newly promoted Queens Park Rangers looking to stay unbeaten at the start of the season, said: “We’re not really part of it (thrashing out transfer, agent and player demands), the modern manager can’t be. “We have too many other things to do and can’t be because it is too time consuming. “We have other things that need to be done like motivating the team, preparing the team, making sure the staff are motivated – we have to focus on that.†The former West Ham and Reading manager also admits that the hysteria that surrounds Newcastle United is tough to manage, especially after making such a positive start to the season, work which seems to have been undone by the failure to land a striker on deadline day. He said: “At this club, it’s like we take two steps forward then a big step back. “Sometimes that step back has been out of my control, unfortunately.†Read More http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/09/10/pardew-modern-managers-don-t-do-deals-72703-29396068/#ixzz1XXrgBqWj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Right, we get it, it's not your fault. Now give it a fucking rest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Right, we get it, it's not your fault. Now give it a f***ing rest I'm sure he'd like those criticising him to give it a rest too to be fair . We care more about the club than he ever will. It's his own fault for putting himself in that position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 He knew what he was getting into when he took the job, he plays quite a dangerous but pretty sly game imo. His profile will be increasing all the time, once the inevitable happens he will hope to be in a much, much better standing than prior to be being appointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 He knew what he was getting into when he took the job, he plays quite a dangerous but pretty sly game imo. His profile will be increasing all the time, once the inevitable happens he will hope to be in a much, much better standing than prior to be being appointed. See the thing is he is very good at handling the media. He has clever and intricate judgement and this most of the time will paper over the problems (no striker and so on...) as they arise. Taking charge at a club like ours brings real pressure but this far he has handled it well. I agree when the rope runs out his profile will be much improved from before... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Okay, I'll clarify my point. If you feel you're being fucked over by your boss, you have choices. You can grin and bear it or you can quit. the idea that these are the only two credible choices is astonishingly stupid tbf. though quite entertaining to watch the mental contortions you put yourself through in order to defend the indefensible. one of the other alternatives is to try and effect change whatever way you can. i'd say pardew is pleased to have such a big job considering his career record is mediocre, so he's not going to give it up just yet. but that's not to say he's not disappointed in the board, as any manager in football would be working for such unprofessional clowns. for the next few months and going into the january window he'll be walking a tightrope, trying to engineer pressure for funds, using his influence both in public and behind closed doors, while at the same time trying to stay in the good books of his employers. won't be easy. not surprising that you are oblivious to this subtle and complex course of diplomacy. It's a dangerous game playing both sides though. While it's daft to suggest he should quit, there's every chance his employers might get itchy fingers if they think he is fishing for sympathy at their expense. If he loses his job not many Newcastle fans who he is trying to appease will give a flying fuck so he should perhaps choose his words with a bit more care IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 What do people expect? "I didn't get a striker and I'm upset about that. Best is areet, Ba is unfit and Lovenkrands and Shola are shit. fuck me, we're in trouble" Honestly, any excuse to stick the knife in He's trying to big up his clearly below-average strike force so we don't nosedive in the next few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/09/11/pardew-blames-owners-relationship-with-fans-for-toon-problems-102039-23411496/ Wonder if he'll get fined by the club for being out spoken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I read this in the same way I read Llambias's statement about Mike Ashley not wanting to put his hands in his pocket whilst everyone thinks he is a cunt. Maybe if everyone stops the nasty chants we can all be friends and get a striker in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Something has to give We either keep our mouths shut and hope he starts spending Or Drive him out. Affecting his sports direct adversely is the only way this will happen Until either of these things happens Pardew is in limbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Okay, I'll clarify my point. If you feel you're being fucked over by your boss, you have choices. You can grin and bear it or you can quit. the idea that these are the only two credible choices is astonishingly stupid tbf. though quite entertaining to watch the mental contortions you put yourself through in order to defend the indefensible. one of the other alternatives is to try and effect change whatever way you can. i'd say pardew is pleased to have such a big job considering his career record is mediocre, so he's not going to give it up just yet. but that's not to say he's not disappointed in the board, as any manager in football would be working for such unprofessional clowns. for the next few months and going into the january window he'll be walking a tightrope, trying to engineer pressure for funds, using his influence both in public and behind closed doors, while at the same time trying to stay in the good books of his employers. won't be easy. not surprising that you are oblivious to this subtle and complex course of diplomacy. It's a dangerous game playing both sides though. While it's daft to suggest he should quit, there's every chance his employers might get itchy fingers if they think he is fishing for sympathy at their expense. If he loses his job not many Newcastle fans who he is trying to appease will give a flying fuck so he should perhaps choose his words with a bit more care IMO. oh absolutelty. pardew's a gobshite so im not sure he is intellectually capable of walkimg that fine line between going for what he needs and keeping fans on side, while still needing to build up more trust and co-operation with Llambias and Ashley. A more skilled diplomat may have been able to pull this off - whereas Pardew waffles on about nonsense every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/09/11/we-are-all-feeling-disappointed-but-don-t-let-that-spoil-a-promising-start-79310-29399104/ We are all feeling disappointed, but don’t let that spoil a promising start Sep 11 2011 by Mark Douglas, Sunday Sun THERE was something appropriate about Alan Pardew seeking refuge from his Toon troubles with a Swiss scouting mission last week. While the Toon Army battled with the United board over their high-profile transfer failures this summer, Pardew landed in a country with a long history of neutrality to run the rule over a couple of long-term targets. It was a calculated move, a chance to get away from the North East goldfish bowl while also reinforcing the point that he should have a big say in which players move to St James’ Park in January. And – he concedes – he felt all the better for it. “I think it was important for me, yeah. I did take myself away from the training ground, just to make sure that I’m ready and right for going forward,” he told the Sunday Sun. “I wanted also to send a message that my job is targeting players and I wanted to go straight to a particular game to target someone who I think would be great for the football club. That’s what I did. “Most people within the game are coming up to me and saying ‘It’s going really, really well’. “Of course, you step back into this world and it’s a disaster, even though we’ve got seven points! “I’m not trying to disguise the fact everyone is disappointed we didn’t get the striker. I’m not going to sit here and try to do that, but we’ve started reasonably well and we want to continue that now.” Pardew’s return to public life came on Thursday after some “robust” conversations with Derek Llambias, the man who had ultimate responsibility for landing United’s top striker targets. The Newcastle boss has made his feelings clear, and it is probably no coincidence that the board have finally opened up avenues of communication with United’s support following some of his protestations. He knows to some he will always be a willing patsy of an unpopular regime. Mike Ashley’s difficulties with the United support are something he neither denies nor tries to alter. His slightly downbeat analysis is that there is no way out of the loveless marriage for the time being. Only success, probably not to be delivered for “three or four years”, will break the cycle. “It’s difficult at Newcastle and I don’t think the owner’s relationship with the fans helps. That’s obvious,” he admitted. “I don’t think there’s anything I can say or do that will improve that. Hopefully over the next three-four years, if I bring some success to the club, maybe that can be looked at in a different light. But certainly not in the short term.” For Pardew, the key relationship is with controversial managing director Llambias. A tough, uncompromising character he is not afraid of conflict and the manager admits there have been arguments over the past fortnight. But has there been any irreparable damage? Not a bit of it, the Toon boss says. “I think Derek is the type to call a spade a spade and so am I. We’ve exchanged those words and we have to put it right and make sure we work together to move forward. That’s where we are. “I think it’s important that Derek hears from me the message from the fans. I made that perfectly clear to him, how important it was.” Pardew had been warned to expect travails when he took the job, but even he has been surprised by some of the events of the past nine months. Having described his team as now “less experienced but more exuberant” he was asked whether the opposite applied to his own situation. Pausing for a moment he responded: “I think so. You could argue that . . . “In terms of where I am with the club, I’ve really enjoyed working here. I love the people, they’ve been great to me. Hopefully I can repay them with the squad I’ve got. “I would have loved to have the striker and filled the No 9 jersey. “We’d have had the complete picture then and it would have almost been too easy for Newcastle. That’s how I’ve tried to look at it.” With the transfer window closed and some of the feistier characters out of the exit door, a period of greater stability is anticipated. It has been a turbulent summer but Pardew reckons a more tranquil autumn is on the horizon. Or hopes that is the case, at the very least. “I’ve not been helped by some of the key players that we’ve lost this summer,” he admits. “Some because of past histrionics with the board, some just had the desire to leave – like Enrique, who was just determined to leave, there was nothing we could do. Andy Carroll was the same, to an extent. “I’ve had difficult periods in that but I’m hoping it will smooth out now and that the players that really come to the fore to us, we manage to keep. We’ll see.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Again, very fair words from Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Pard to argue with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Pard to argue with that. Pardly what we wanted to hear, but fair enough I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 it must just be me who thinks all the pard and pardy jokes are class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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