Mick Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He got the first half and starting 11 spot on, Stroller was shit but he didn't have many options, if any. First half we played a mix of 4-5-1 and 4-4-3 which meant our midfield was solid and the defence coped with everything they could throw at us. They made changes and instead of us keeping the shape that had served us so well, we changed to 4-4-2 and our midfield which had been so strong and gave us the foundation to take 3 points was undone. Our 2 central midfielders in the 2nd half did nothing because they were left exposed badly which then left the centre of our defence exposed. Pardew has cost us the game today, from a winning position we gave away 5 goals and that is pathetic. I don't think his substitutions had any effect, either or positive, the game changed because our formation changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He got the first half and starting 11 spot on, Stroller was shit but he didn't have many options, if any. First half we played a mix of 4-5-1 and 4-4-3 which meant our midfield was solid and the defence coped with everything they could throw at us. They made changes and instead of us keeping the shape that had served us so well, we changed to 4-4-2 and our midfield which had been so strong and gave us the foundation to take 3 points was undone. Our 2 central midfielders in the 2nd half did nothing because they were left exposed badly which then left the centre of our defence exposed. Pardew has cost us the game today, from a winning position we gave away 5 goals and that is pathetic. I don't think his substitutions had any effect, either or positive, the game changed because our formation changed. Jol ripped Pardew apart tactically. Alarmingly was the fact it took 20 mins for Pardew to realise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Needs a kick in the cock for today like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 AVB, Hodgson, Lambert and now Jol have bumraped him tactically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Has he done a post match interview yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 AVB, Hodgson, Lambert and now Jol have bumraped him tactically. It doesn't take a tactical genius to know how to play when the opposition don't have any centre backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Didnt he say once his teams never get hammered? Well we got bummed today Alan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He got the first half and starting 11 spot on, Stroller was shit but he didn't have many options, if any. First half we played a mix of 4-5-1 and 4-4-3 which meant our midfield was solid and the defence coped with everything they could throw at us. They made changes and instead of us keeping the shape that had served us so well, we changed to 4-4-2 and our midfield which had been so strong and gave us the foundation to take 3 points was undone. Our 2 central midfielders in the 2nd half did nothing because they were left exposed badly which then left the centre of our defence exposed. Pardew has cost us the game today, from a winning position we gave away 5 goals and that is pathetic. I don't think his substitutions had any effect, either or positive, the game changed because our formation changed. That's how I saw it as well. We've started well in other games but when the opposition manager switches formation it seems to totally flummox Pardew. Every now and then you get a game where we end up all over the place conceding goals with a suicidal high line defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 That's how I saw it as well. We've started well in other games but when the opposition manager switches formation it seems to totally flummox Pardew. Every now and then you get a game where we end up all over the place conceding goals with a suicidal high line defence. this flummoxing is bizarre, it's hardly fucking rocket science is it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. The defence moved up because we were weaker in midfield and they tried to fill the gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Despite the defeat, decent to watch. http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,12612_7445900,00.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. The defence moved up because we were weaker in midfield and they tried to fill the gap. my reading was the defence moved up a tad because johnson came on and dropped a bit deeper, no doubt many on here want us to stand 30yds out and wait for them to come at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. The defence moved up because we were weaker in midfield and they tried to fill the gap. my reading was the defence moved up a tad because johnson came on and dropped a bit deeper, no doubt many on here want us to stand 30yds out and wait for them to come at us. Moving up when a pacey player comes on is suicidal. We were trying to catch them offside 5 yards in our own half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 my reading was the defence moved up a tad because johnson came on and dropped a bit deeper, no doubt many on here want us to stand 30yds out and wait for them to come at us. In the first half we had Best playing wide left and Cabaye, Guthrie and Jonas playing central with Ben Arfa playing on the right. Second half we had Cabaye and Guthrie in the middle with Jonas playing on the left with Ben Arfa playing more advanced and I think that's why the whole defence moved up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. The defence moved up because we were weaker in midfield and they tried to fill the gap. my reading was the defence moved up a tad because johnson came on and dropped a bit deeper, no doubt many on here want us to stand 30yds out and wait for them to come at us. Moving up when a pacey player comes on is suicidal. We were trying to catch them offside 5 yards in our own half. standing off them and giving them the ball inspace is suicidal also, what do you suggest ? i don't think the plan was to push up but do as most temas do and follow the opposition, if the push up you sit deeper, if they drop in you push up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He got the first half and starting 11 spot on, Stroller was shit but he didn't have many options, if any. First half we played a mix of 4-5-1 and 4-4-3 which meant our midfield was solid and the defence coped with everything they could throw at us. They made changes and instead of us keeping the shape that had served us so well, we changed to 4-4-2 and our midfield which had been so strong and gave us the foundation to take 3 points was undone. Our 2 central midfielders in the 2nd half did nothing because they were left exposed badly which then left the centre of our defence exposed. Pardew has cost us the game today, from a winning position we gave away 5 goals and that is pathetic. I don't think his substitutions had any effect, either or positive, the game changed because our formation changed. Pretty much how I see it Mick, bar the subs. I felt Perch was the right option but he was trying to fix the wrong problem imo. As you said, it was the shape that was wrong not the personnel. (Apart from Shola that is.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He got the first half and starting 11 spot on, Stroller was s*** but he didn't have many options, if any. First half we played a mix of 4-5-1 and 4-4-3 which meant our midfield was solid and the defence coped with everything they could throw at us. They made changes and instead of us keeping the shape that had served us so well, we changed to 4-4-2 and our midfield which had been so strong and gave us the foundation to take 3 points was undone. Our 2 central midfielders in the 2nd half did nothing because they were left exposed badly which then left the centre of our defence exposed. Pardew has cost us the game today, from a winning position we gave away 5 goals and that is pathetic. I don't think his substitutions had any effect, either or positive, the game changed because our formation changed. weren't we already 3-1 down and getting spanked before we changed to 4-4-2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Yeah, Jonas playing centrally prevented us pushing up to high defensively, going left gave us width at expense for height. That said went wrong earlier, we just lost composure, and kept giving away the ball second half. Pardew's team talk at half time must have been goddawful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He got the first half and starting 11 spot on, Stroller was s*** but he didn't have many options, if any. First half we played a mix of 4-5-1 and 4-4-3 which meant our midfield was solid and the defence coped with everything they could throw at us. They made changes and instead of us keeping the shape that had served us so well, we changed to 4-4-2 and our midfield which had been so strong and gave us the foundation to take 3 points was undone. Our 2 central midfielders in the 2nd half did nothing because they were left exposed badly which then left the centre of our defence exposed. Pardew has cost us the game today, from a winning position we gave away 5 goals and that is pathetic. I don't think his substitutions had any effect, either or positive, the game changed because our formation changed. weren't we already 3-1 down and getting spanked before we changed to 4-4-2? Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. The defence moved up because we were weaker in midfield and they tried to fill the gap. my reading was the defence moved up a tad because johnson came on and dropped a bit deeper, no doubt many on here want us to stand 30yds out and wait for them to come at us. And you want the defence to move up and to be caught with ball over the top over and over again....brilliantly Pardewisque. Basic rule of playing a high line, you need quick defenders who can chase the ball over the top. We should never play a high line coz none of our defenders are fast enough for this, especially Colo and Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Well fuck, now we have to win at least the next couple of games to make up for this. Blackburn and Vila are very beatable. So was Fulham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. The defence moved up because we were weaker in midfield and they tried to fill the gap. my reading was the defence moved up a tad because johnson came on and dropped a bit deeper, no doubt many on here want us to stand 30yds out and wait for them to come at us. And you want the defence to move up and to be caught with ball over the top over and over again....brilliantly Pardewisque. Basic rule of playing a high line, you need quick defenders who can chase the ball over the top. We should never play a high line coz none of our defenders are fast enough for this, especially Colo and Williamson. no, you try to read that and cover all fronts, it's called defending. thats why you don't man mark all over the pitch but take up positions to mark the man and cover other outcomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Think a lot of this could have been solved by dropping the defence and central midfielders a little deeper. Would have liked to have seen us keep the 4-3-3, put Best up top and replace Ameobi with Ferguson as he could then help out Santon since he looked to be struggling after giving away the penalty. The defence moved up because we were weaker in midfield and they tried to fill the gap. my reading was the defence moved up a tad because johnson came on and dropped a bit deeper, no doubt many on here want us to stand 30yds out and wait for them to come at us. Moving up when a pacey player comes on is suicidal. We were trying to catch them offside 5 yards in our own half. standing off them and giving them the ball inspace is suicidal also, what do you suggest ? i don't think the plan was to push up but do as most temas do and follow the opposition, if the push up you sit deeper, if they drop in you push up. Not as suicidal as moving up and then only to be beaten over the top. The crucial distinction is that if you stay back and give the strikers space, they still need to beat our defenders or have long range pops. Move up and get beaten by the ball over the top and the striker is already through with just the keeper to beat. Can't believe that I'm even arguing this, it's so fucking obvious and you are usually post sensible stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Got it badly wrong today. Fuck knows what possessed him to start Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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