What the club is looking for...

[Dave]

Felt this deserved a more general thread than disappearing in the Pardew one.

 

These quotes from a 'club source' have somehow found their way into a number of Wednesday's newspapers. Presumably Llambias then.

 

“Two or three experienced people in football have been sounded out and told those are the terms and conditions.

 

“All have been told the same thing; they will be rewarded for results and results only. There will be no £1.5million signing-on fee and no compensation clauses in their contract. The bottom line is Mike Ashley wants value for money and just as in his businesses, he expects to get it. The new manager will not be handed a treasure trove of cash to spend and nor will he be handed a contract which means he can be rewarded for failure.

 

“He will be handsomely rewarded if he brings success to Newcastle United and will not be rewarded if he fails. Mike Ashley wants an experienced manager at one of the biggest clubs in the land. But he wants a manager on his terms and those terms are simple; every penny has to be spent wisely and the club must continue to head in the right direction towards the top end of the Premier League table.

 

“The club will be run along the same lines that Mike pays his top executives at Sports Direct – a very good basic wage but big bonuses for results.

 

“The new manager will be expected to buy into the new vision. You get paid by results, developing the club and moving it forward.

 

“The old guard in football are saying we have never done this before. Ashley might end up with egg all over his face but in five years’ time the cynics might be thinking otherwise. I don’t think any club in England would be run like this but this is a businessman running a football club as a business. Whether that is right or wrong only time will tell.”

 

“They have talked to two or three people, laying out the terms and conditions and then asking, ‘Are you brave enough to take it on?’

 

“We will find out which one is brave enough to do that on Thursday or Friday. Mike wants the club run to Ashley rules, not football rules. That means no signing-on fee and no big compensation clauses in their contracts. There can be no rewards for failure.”

 

“The new manager will not be handed a treasure trove of cash. Mike wants an experienced manager at one of the biggest clubs in the land, but he wants one on his terms and those terms are simple.

 

“Every penny has to be spent wisely and the club must continue to head in the right direction towards the top end of the Premier League table.The bottom line is that Mike wants value for money and just as in his businesses, he expects to get it.”

 

“Martin (Jol) has put himself in a good position, but he would have to accept these terms and conditions and it would not be a way he has worked before.”

[danswan]

Fat cunt

[Ikon]

i guess that rules out Mourinho.

[johnnypd]

[Fenham Mag]

Urgh. Horrible way to run a football club part 128.

[oldtype]

Mike Ashley is the worst kind of idiot. The kind of idiot that makes up complex justifications to convince himself that he's actually right.

[Ketsbaia]

Theres sound logic deep inside that, but its muddled in so much shit and disgrace that it doesn't matter.

 

Hughton 4 life mo'fo'

[Dinho lad]

Heard it all before.... load of crap....... go fuck yourself you fat cockney bastard.

[Guest]

Too idealistic. Probably 5 years too early, you can't just run a football club a different way to everyone else man.

[timnufc22]

Hughton was bringing success, for a team looking to consolidate, and was heading in the right direction you absolute tit. Theres no logic there... you want top 6 on that budget?? You got rid of Hughton because he wasnt a yes man, he wanted his own no.2, he wouldnt have accepted player sales, probably told you how sick he was of your ego interfering with the team, and he was gaining a powerful position with his growing status with the fans.

[B-more Mag]

Awww, he done gone changed the rules on them Premier League motherfuckers. Game changer!

 

[pedro111]

Ashley out, Llambias out, Pardew out, Smith out, Guthrie out, shit ball boys out, fat miserable bitch in the ticket office out; every cunt out.

[Guest Mantis]

Total wanker.  We had a manager who didnt spend much and got on with things despite the Chuckle brothers sideshow and they booted him.  Pardew isnt the answer, FACT!

[Dave]

Could it be inferred from this that Hughton made it clear he was unwilling to accept such a stupid arrangement on any new contract, so when the results gave them the excuse he got the heave-ho?

[oldtype]

Hughton was bringing success, for a team looking to consolidate, and was heading in the right direction you absolute tit. Theres no logic there... you want top 6 on that budget?? You got rid of Hughton because he wasnt a yes man, he wanted his own no.2, he wouldnt have accepted player sales, probably told you how sick he was of your ego interfering with the team, and he was gaining a powerful position with his growing status with the fans.

 

It's ironic because Hughton was probably hired initially because Ashley believed that he was a yes man. The soft spoken former No.2 seemed like a perfect alternative to big, combative personalities like Keegan or Shearer.

 

All of this basically happened because Ashley realized that Chris Hughton has a spine.

[rocksammy]

Could it be inferred from this that Hughton made it clear he was unwilling to accept such a stupid arrangement on any new contract, so when the results gave them the excuse he got the heave-ho?

 

Very much so

[timnufc22]

Could it be inferred from this that Hughton made it clear he was unwilling to accept such a stupid arrangement on any new contract, so when the results gave them the excuse he got the heave-ho?

 

Pretty much, I believe Hughton would have wanted to progress the team and club, and not stand still. I think he would have made it clear in order to progress he will need more support, and like I've said, they want a yes man instead.

[timnufc22]

Hughton was bringing success, for a team looking to consolidate, and was heading in the right direction you absolute tit. Theres no logic there... you want top 6 on that budget?? You got rid of Hughton because he wasnt a yes man, he wanted his own no.2, he wouldnt have accepted player sales, probably told you how sick he was of your ego interfering with the team, and he was gaining a powerful position with his growing status with the fans.

 

It's ironic because Hughton was probably hired initially because Ashley believed that he was a yes man. The soft spoken former No.2 seemed like a perfect alternative to big, combative personalities like Keegan or Shearer.

 

All of this basically happened because Ashley realized that Chris Hughton has a spine.

 

Yep, very ironic like you said, and its the crux of the whole thing imo. Nothing to do with results or performance.

[Dave]

What a fucking desperately poor selection of managers this gives us by default. Managers who are well and truly on the scrapheap and will accept any terms for a shot, like Joe Kinnear. I mean we all knew anyone half-decent wouldn't want to work for Ashley but for fuck's sake.

 

No wonder they're looking at Pardew; from the shortlist these terms will provide, if he's their mate that probably gives him a genuine edge.

[Guest Chubby Jason]

It's the Aston Villa model mate. Or is it the Arsenal model now?? I'm sure it was the Villa one last time or was it?? Oh! It's the Ashley model now! Fantastic.

[Willow]

anyone ever think they'll wake up to realise all of this ashley shit was just one big nightmare?

 

If only... it just all feels so surreal. I'm at a loss for words at how fucking dumb this all is..

[KaKa]

This is a fascinating experiment. At least all the cards are being laid out on the table from the outset. For the very first time you could argue that Mike Ashley is going to get the manager he wants on his terms. This could end in disaster, and probably will, but its high time this regime were clear on what the hell they want to do and just freakin' do it. If it fails miserably then everyone can then just move on once and for all. Pretty crazy stuff though. It's going to be interesting to watch that's for sure.

[Guest Chubby Jason]

This is a fascinating experiment. At least all the cards are being laid out on the table from the outset. For the very first time you could argue that Mike Ashley is going to get the manager he wants on his terms. This could end in disaster, and probably will, but its high time this regime were clear on what the hell they want to do and just freakin' do it. If it fails miserably then everyone can then just move on once and for all. Pretty crazy stuff though. It's going to be interesting to watch that's for sure.

No.

[Dave]

This is a fascinating experiment. At least all the cards are being laid out on the table from the outset. For the very first time you could argue that Mike Ashley is going to get the manager he wants on his terms. This could end in disaster, and probably will, but its high time this regime were clear on what the hell they want to do and just freakin' do it. If it fails miserably then everyone can then just move on once and for all. Pretty crazy stuff though. It's going to be interesting to watch that's for sure.

 

Did you think it was 'fascinating' and 'interesting' when we employed Joe Kinnear?

[Guest Heneage]

I believe that's a fantastic plan of action that will curb the club's spending and give's us potential for a solid future.

 

What I want to know is how all of his requirements are not met with Chris Hughton, for example.

 

"1.)The manager will not be handed a treasure trove of cash."

Chris Hughton had a total spend of at best £10 million in his time with Newcastle, that included his 12 months in the Championship. With this he bought Danny Simpson, James Perch, Wayne Routledge, Mike Wiliamson, Hatem Ben Arfa, Cheike Tiote, Dan Gosling, and Peter Lovenkrands. Of those players two at this minute are deemed not good enough and suggested to be sold. That is 5 players for an average of £2m per player in the squad. Include the fact he has brought on players like Andy Carroll, Nile Ranger, Tim Krul, Tamas Kadar and to a lesser extent Haris Vuckic, Shane Ferguson, and Ole Soderberg all players that cost the club under £1 million.

 

2.)“He will be handsomely rewarded if he brings success to Newcastle United and will not be rewarded if he fails."

It was often claimed Hughton's wage was the lowest in the league for a Manager, even lower than Iain Holloway at Blackpool. He worked with a skeleton staff and even recently waited weeks for a replacement assistant. If the manager is to be rewarded handsomely, where was the former man's reward for successfully guiding Newcastle to promotion? As Champions might I add with a game to spare and with plus one hundred points. I would imagine he was set a similar target of maintaing the club's status in the Premier League this season. As it stands the club sit in 11th position having played 4 of the tougher sides in the league, 3 away 1 at home picking up 4 points in the process, this arguably should be 7 after the debacle that was Man City away.

 

3.)“The new manager will be expected to buy into the new vision. You get paid by results, developing the club and moving it forward.

Ok, arguably my favourite.

 

Morale was low prior to last season, it was raised by promotion but come the summer the fantastic claim of 'No capital outlay' had very much dented the spirits of many who had hoped for even some spending in order to secure much needed reinforcements. Now if you want to ignore the fantastic results at West Ham, Arsenal, and Chelsea fine but take Sunderland for a prime example of how good Chris Hughton was.

 

I am in no way clinging to the idea that it's the best result because it's Sunderland, it is but that's not my point. The subsequent 5-1 hammering of Sunderland spawned a host of merchandise in the club shop, t-shirts, mugs, DVD's but to name a few. A lot of fans chose to purchase these to remember what is considered our best victory in years, a landmark one when you consider it's the biggest win since the 6-1 of 1955 .

 

In simple terms, he made the club money. Even if he had no say in the signings like Ben Arfa who went on to sell a number of shirts, he made the club money in merchandising. No one with more experience could have done any better than take a side that when he inherited was low on confidence and transform them into Champions and subsequent mid table Premier League players.

 

In essence he's a giant hypocrite who walked over the nice guy.