worthy Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Well even Norwegian media is going on about how shit Carver is and that protests are still ongoing. Well at least more media outside the Uk is actually picking shit up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Wonder if Carver thinks he's got more chance of getting the job if we're in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This whole debacle would be a little easier to stomach if he'd just have a fucking go at the opposition. If we started the next game with a front 3 of Cabella, De Jong & Perez with Ryan Taylor nowhere near the starting line up and we still lose, fair enough. But starting games with Jonas & R Taylor and our creative players consigned to the bench is suicide. It hasn't worked and it never will. Change something you fat cretin! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 IMO you can go a long way with srong fundamentals in any sport, especially football. We can't take kick-offs, can't defend set-pieces, lose concentration in defence all the time. Just awful. You can get a very long way with motivation, belief, confidence and solid organisation. We don't have that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Ryder has tweeted saying Carver didn't offer to resign and the club didn't ask him to. Probably more covering up from the club to make everything seem hunky dory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This whole debacle would be a little easier to stomach if he'd just have a f***ing go at the opposition. If we started the next game with a front 3 of Cabella, De Jong & Perez with Ryan Taylor nowhere near the starting line up and we still lose, fair enough. But starting games with Jonas & R Taylor and our creative players consigned to the bench is suicide. It hasn't worked and it never will. Change something you fat cretin! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 It's incredible that a manager can lose every game, slag off his players in public, openly state that they aren't listening to him and just carry on in the job. Or it would be if we were a normal club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/0f4b4e096938c66ca158ba88b83c4183.jpg From the man himself jesus christ almighty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 probably thinks his team-talk is revolutionary by it being entirely "just go out and win!". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This whole debacle would be a little easier to stomach if he'd just have a f***ing go at the opposition. If we started the next game with a front 3 of Cabella, De Jong & Perez with Ryan Taylor nowhere near the starting line up and we still lose, fair enough. But starting games with Jonas & R Taylor and our creative players consigned to the bench is suicide. It hasn't worked and it never will. Change something you fat cretin! It just highlights how important intelligence is in a football manager and not genius level intelligence, just an IQ above 50. Identify that something isn't working and change it to try and improve things - not exactly A-level Maths is it? A fucking baked potato could see that we can't defend for shit, that hoofing the ball to small players is retarded and that Ryan Taylor has been totally counter-productive for 2 months. So instead of actually 'managing', Pauline Quirk persists with a defensive set-up that plays hoof ball and sees set pieces as our best chance of scoring. He leaves pace, creativity and goal threat on the bench and then seems incredulous when we lose for an eighth consecutive game. You are the problem John, YOU!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Anita and Abeid and Cabella on the bench was genuinely unbelievable. Jonas and Taylor in midfield FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 We have a manager who doesn't think managers can affect how well a team performs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/0f4b4e096938c66ca158ba88b83c4183.jpg From the man himself Scary stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 All we can hope is that this weekend has convinced him to play Cabella, Abeid etc against West Brom. Even he knows that something needs to be changed. That, plus the returns of Sissoko, De Jong, Cisse and Aarons could be enough. As long as WBA have no set pieces! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 We have a manager who doesn't think managers can affect how well a team performs. This is what four years of working under Pardew will do to you. Must spend 90 minutes thinking of what excuse to use next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 The enforced absence of Williamson might also prove to be a blessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This Jonas/Ralor in central midfield is the craziest thing i've ever seen. Just play as many players in their natural positions as possible please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/0f4b4e096938c66ca158ba88b83c4183.jpg From the man himself Scary stuff. So a well thought out and intelligent tactical plan executed by a team of highly motivated and drilled players has f*** all to do with winning games and success Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie1892 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/0f4b4e096938c66ca158ba88b83c4183.jpg From the man himself Scary stuff. So a well thought out and intelligent tactical plan executed by a team of highly motivated and drilled players has f*** all to do with winning games and success Of course not. Don't be so naive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 All we can hope is that this weekend has convinced him to play Cabella, Abeid etc against West Brom. Even he knows that something needs to be changed. That, plus the returns of Sissoko, De Jong, Cisse and Aarons could be enough. As long as WBA have no set pieces! I thought Cisse was out for the season now? Dodgy leg? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 What does he think Robson was doing all those years while he was putting the cones out? He's absolutely demented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/0f4b4e096938c66ca158ba88b83c4183.jpg From the man himself jesus christ almighty So then what's the point of being a manager? Fuckin hell it's getting worse... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 People simply don't understand management at all. It's no miracle that a club is doing terribly and then with a change of manager the same players look ten times better. The same people blaming our players and putting it all on them will be lining up to praise Tim Sherwood at Villa. Look how bad they were and the change of the man at the top has made them twice the side they were. The same goes for people now praising Pardew for the job he did here and saying we shouldn't have gotten rid of him. How can they say stuff like that and then put it all on the players? It's total nonsense, from people so thick I wouldn't trust them to tie their own shoes. We got rid of Souness and the feel good factor was so strong we won the next game 3-0. That's the problem with Carver, he's now a dark cloud hanging over the club and it has been that way for a long time now. If he stays we go down, if he goes and we appointed no one, we'd still have a better chance of staying up. Even no tactical plan is better than 'boot it to Willo'. Carver will be lucky to ever have a job after this one and I'm sick of this 'local lad' and 'good football man' stuff that gets trotted out. It's the rubbish that keeps all these crap failures circling the drain of management for decades longer than they should. It gets quoted as experience, when in reality you'd be better off trusting unproven ability than proven failure, just because of 'experience.' There's just too many fools involved in Football and none of them seem to properly understand psychology, human nature, or strategy and game theory of any kind. Sadly there seems to be more in Britain than anywhere else, where all these myths about management and 'good football men' are perpetuated on our TV's every week. It's holding Newcastle's football back massively and it's the same thing that keeps holding England's football back too. Great post. It continues to amaze me how simple the football discussion in England is. It's always so general and just scratching the surface. Seems like most people think that the managers job is to pick a formation, pick the team, "motivate" them and make subsitutions. You rarely see managers talking about anything concrete. It's always "we lacked a bit of urgency" or "we couldnt deal with this or that" or other nonsence. Where's the discussion about actual models of play? And I'm not talking about "playing posession football", "parking the buss" or "lumping it forward". About models that the team has drilled over and over again in practice and that guide everything they do on the pitch. Where they move or look for a pass in a certain situation. Are the players receiving the ball in a body position that is positive and open towards the play? Or are they constantly receiving it in a negative position? (in Newcastle it's the latter) Just for an example my own team (that I support I mean, not play for hah) plays in the 3rd highest division in Finland and this is basicly what the manager said in the match report after winning 1-0 today (free translation). "Worst game we've played since I came here. We didnt work collectively and it was very hard to find any of the models in the game that we've been practicing and succesfully implemented in previous games. Build up was too static and slow. In the build up phase our positions we're constantly negative and impractical. The movements the forwards made were poor. Anticipation, timing and reactions to play in defence were also poor." Jesus. How refreshing it would be to some day hear a Newcastle manager talk about football like this instead of the same old phrases. Someone who actually had an idea of how he wants his team to play football and the knowledge to coach them in a way that they could implement his ideas on the pitch. Maybe the managers are just serving up what the public wants but I would seriously be intrigued to visit the training in Newcastle to see what actually happens there and what kind of things are discussed. edit: and to be clear I'm not saying this is typical Finnish football discussion. No way. But considering the level of English football you'd think the talk around it would be a little bit more in depth. Two great posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Is there anywhere to get that level of analysis on football in England? None of the press seem to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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