Kaizero Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I mean seriously it's getting madder each season. Look at this http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_6744544,00.html Years ago the national coach would never have been questioned like this and that's not the only insane thing either. - Players like Torres going for 50 Mil. - Player like Carroll going for 35 Mil. - Players being able to force transfers. - The idea of a contract no longer being a contract - The general treatment of fans as nobodies. I mean seriously it's just going insane like. Sepp Blatter can be blamed for a LOT of it but I mean anybody else got any thoughts on the subject and what we can do to make the PL and football in general more a sport and less just a business? http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/b0943915-1108-49b2-a718-10bda3ffd034.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Did he get banned or deleate his account? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Deleted himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 virtual seppukku was the honorable thing for his House. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Poor kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Class, his stupidity just made him implode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 virtual seppukku was the honorable thing for his House. http://loopable.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/bitdance.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I mean seriously it's getting madder each season. Look at this http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_6744544,00.html Years ago the national coach would never have been questioned like this and that's not the only insane thing either. - Players like Torres going for 50 Mil. - Player like Carroll going for 35 Mil. - Players being able to force transfers. - The idea of a contract no longer being a contract - The general treatment of fans as nobodies. I mean seriously it's just going insane like. Sepp Blatter can be blamed for a LOT of it but I mean anybody else got any thoughts on the subject and what we can do to make the PL and football in general more a sport and less just a business? http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/b0943915-1108-49b2-a718-10bda3ffd034.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Fucking mentalist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 good thread this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 good thread this one The one in GC is even better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Ironically, if you read the wiki article, it goes some way to showing he was right. It's glib and inaccurate to simply put the situation he describes down to what is commonly understood as capitalism and its dynamics. Not all club owners run their clubs the way they do in view of capitalism. The Bosman and later rulings were certainly not a product of unbridled capitalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Ironically, if you read the wiki article, it goes some way to showing he was right. It's glib and inaccurate to simply put the situation he describes down to what is commonly understood as capitalism and its dynamics. Not all club owners run their clubs the way they do in view of capitalism. The Bosman and later rulings were certainly not a product of unbridled capitalism. True, but to discredit capitalism being one of the reasons for the rising fees etc in football because 'our country isn't capitalist it's a mixed economy' is stupid, especially considering that a mixed economy includes many aspects of capitalism at it's core. Indeed I cannot think of any countries that are truly capitalist, it would require zero government intervention with the economy. It definitely plays a part in the silly money due to the over-commercialised nature of top flight football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 See, it's these nuances Tdeans was exploring and trying to communicate to otherwise fallow turf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 To be fair, especially considering some of the nonsensical ramblings he's posted over the past couple days, I don't think he really had a clue what he was talking about. The way he was putting his argument forward he was practically saying that talk of capitalism is wrong because the UK does not have a capitalist economy but rather a mixed one; suggesting that your either capitalist or not, when in truth it's not as black and white as that and although we do have a mixed economy, it is heavily based upon capitalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well, strictly speaking, he wasn't relating the mixed economy stuff to his original post/subject - just responding to someone who's only contribution was a wiki entry. It was a follow-on from a discussion the other day in which he, like a lot of people, was advocating wage-capping of players and disagreeing with the idea this couldn't/isn't done in any way in our economy. Working within that idea, half the subject of this thread was about what can be done to change the trends he identified, which is probably where he'd suggest the other parts of the 'mixed' economy come in. The other half, 'why' these trends developed, could include a discussion as to why the other aspects of the economy haven't stopped/altered the developments of these trends. Maybe even more pertinently, to what extent these other aspects of the economy have gone to preventing capitalism actually negating these trends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 @ 80 and Anderson dragging the thread into legitimacy once the poor cunt has gone and committed e-suicide! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'm determined to give him an honourable burial. He could've been a contender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'm determined to give him an honourable burial. this thread deserves to become a forum legend tbh, branching off into an all encompassing examination of world football and what impact various financial thingy-mabobs have on it in each country...even NE5 will return under another pseudonym to argue fat freddy's side and so on it'll all end with everyone agreeing Tdeans was a cunt though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Sort of like a forum re-enactment of the Arsenal match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 He wasn't on the wind-up then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Anyhow, it's pedantic. On the macro scale, there's no such thing as capitalism in its purest form, just as there was never any real example of pure socialism. It's all about the propensity toward a certain socio-economic system. In the current market, however, capitalism is the dominant propensity, but with a socialist bent toward only those with money. It's a reflection of many of our systems worldwide, systems that are fast becoming snakes eating their own tales. Football is about the metrics now. The players are assets. The supporters are assets. The real estate is an asset. We all can be translated into dollar amounts. And so the spirit of what makes the game great is becoming ancillary. And I am not necessarily criticizing it. It's just the nature of evolution. Organisms, economic systems, civilizations...they have a sell-by date. This trend in football is not a forever rising trajectory, just like the housing market wasn't (even though a lot of assholes pre-2006 would have you believe otherwise). Things will come crashing down at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 what a shame Tdeans is swinging from the rafters now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well, strictly speaking, he wasn't relating the mixed economy stuff to his original post/subject - just responding to someone who's only contribution was a wiki entry. It was a follow-on from a discussion the other day in which he, like a lot of people, was advocating wage-capping of players and disagreeing with the idea this couldn't/isn't done in any way in our economy. Working within that idea, half the subject of this thread was about what can be done to change the trends he identified, which is probably where he'd suggest the other parts of the 'mixed' economy come in. The other half, 'why' these trends developed, could include a discussion as to why the other aspects of the economy haven't stopped/altered the developments of these trends. Maybe even more pertinently, to what extent these other aspects of the economy have gone to preventing capitalism actually negating these trends. Agreed. I posted the Wiki link because I always find it odd when people start threads with questions like "If my mother falls in the woods, will a butterfly fart cause an uprising in a quasi-socialist global warming hotspot" and then never posit their own theories on the same. Plus, Tdeans has brought up the concept of "capitalism" (on a macro level) on a couple of occasions over the last week but never discusses its impact. Anyhow, it's pedantic. On the macro scale, there's no such thing as capitalism in its purest form, just as there was never any real example of pure socialism. It's all about the propensity toward a certain socio-economic system. In the current market, however, capitalism is the dominant propensity, but with a socialist bent toward only those with money. It's a reflection of many of our systems worldwide, systems that are fast becoming snakes eating their own tales. Football is about the metrics now. The players are assets. The supporters are assets. The real estate is an asset. We all can be translated into dollar amounts. And so the spirit of what makes the game great is becoming ancillary. And I am not necessarily criticizing it. It's just the nature of evolution. Organisms, economic systems, civilizations...they have a sell-by date. This trend in football is not a forever rising trajectory, just like the housing market wasn't (even though a lot of assholes pre-2006 would have you believe otherwise). Things will come crashing down at some point. Is (in its simplest form) the right answer. Although, from an English perspective, I'd throw in the European Union and the concept of the "free movement of people", as whilst it is not the only cause of player power, it's assisted in shifting the power shift from a contractual (and the EC would argue, slave based, system) to a more fluid (and I would argue, inequitable) system, wherein agreements, promises and undertakings are not worth the paper they're written on. RIP Tdeans. No doubt we'll see you on the news at some point, after you stab a shopkeeper to death with a pencil after your lottery ticket gets chewed up by a machine. You crazy mentalist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 for all he hasn't put his case very well i agree witht he sentiment. transfer fees and players pay (at the top) are fucking ridiculous and are leading to the ruin of the game. don't blame the idea that we live in a "capitalist" as wage caps are used for certain sports in this country and in the US. sepp blatter's running of the sport has seen it turn even more into a corrupt business often seemingly for the furtherment of a select few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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