Toondave Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 The thing I've questioned, repeatedly, is Carr's ability to find players - ie seeing things on the pitch that you average bloke couldn't, then bringing the right players to the club for our purposes. Nobody would argue the 3 players mentioned don't represent good business. It obvious his 'skill' lies in discovering when players are sometimes going for less than they're worth. That isn't scouting, it's networking. He's a shit scout with decent contacts, basically. Which I'm sure is quite an important part of the scouting business. As long as he doesn't have any more power than he deserves/is qualified for then it's unlikely he's going to do much harm; especially if Rafa is bringing in that McParland fella as well. If Carr thinks he's worthy of whatever jumped up position he's currently holding then we might have a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 His criteria has been to find players that can be signed and have a high chance of being sold for more. This is why we are so lop sided as a squad because the players that were brought in didn't arrive to strengthen the squad,just to make money. Thauvin and Cabella have been massive flops but everyone was pretty hyped when we signed those two because of their "potential" I think now for the first time in a long time,Rafa will be telling him exactly the player type he wants. Not just one that "can make us some money in a few years" Carr isn't a bad scout,I think he'll be a lot happier working for Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 We've just been relegated after signing his players/managers for the past half-decade, man. Of course he's a shit scout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 The thing I've questioned, repeatedly, is Carr's ability to find players - ie seeing things on the pitch that you average bloke couldn't, then bringing the right players to the club for our purposes. Nobody would argue the 3 players mentioned don't represent good business. It obvious his 'skill' lies in discovering when players are sometimes going for less than they're worth. That isn't scouting, it's networking. He's a shit scout with decent contacts, basically. But that's what he was paid to do. If he was asked to scout for 28 year old 6'5 defenders he could probably deliver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 He'll retire soon enough imo. I don't think he'll hang around once Rafa starts to bring his own players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Oh, he was being paid to spend the past 4 years signing players not fit for PL football, then? Ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 We've just been relegated after signing his players/managers for the past half-decade, man. Of course he's a s*** scout. But players and managers that Ashley wanted him to find. Players with re-sale value and managers who are yes men. Carr is just doing what he's told. I'm pretty certain the players on his list at 1/2/3 would be amazing signings for us. Lacazette,Aubameyang etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 The thing I've questioned, repeatedly, is Carr's ability to find players - ie seeing things on the pitch that you average bloke couldn't, then bringing the right players to the club for our purposes. Nobody would argue the 3 players mentioned don't represent good business. It obvious his 'skill' lies in discovering when players are sometimes going for less than they're worth. That isn't scouting, it's networking. He's a shit scout with decent contacts, basically. But that's what he was paid to do. If he was asked to scout for 28 year old 6'5 defenders he could probably deliver. So could anyone with access to Wikipedia. Not sure Carr's shown any evidence at all of being a good scout whilst here like (Abeid maybe?), Ron's spot on in that he's just a bloke with good contacts. He's done this for a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 We've just been relegated after signing his players/managers for the past half-decade, man. Of course he's a s*** scout. But players and managers that Ashley wanted him to find. Players with re-sale value and managers who are yes men. Carr is just doing what he's told. I'm pretty certain the players on his list at 1/2/3 would be amazing signings for us. Lacazette,Aubameyang etc His paper might as well read "Neymar... Pogba... Vidal." His job was obviously to find good young players we could sell for a profit (best way to fo this is by virtue of them turning out to be a 'hidden gem') and he failed spectacularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 We've just been relegated after signing his players/managers for the past half-decade, man. Of course he's a s*** scout. But players and managers that Ashley wanted him to find. Players with re-sale value and managers who are yes men. Carr is just doing what he's told. I'm pretty certain the players on his list at 1/2/3 would be amazing signings for us. Lacazette,Aubameyang etc If that's the case, why the massive lob on for the likes of Thauvin then? He knocked us back and knocked us back, wasn't until he basically had any other choice but to come here that he finally signed. Turned out to be completely unfit for the squad and manager* and was on the first plane back to France. That is some truly shocking scouting, and it's all on him. Clearly not far down his list either. *Speaking of the manager, his situation was actually eerily similar to Thauvin's, yet Carr kept his stiffy for him and that basically relegated us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Oh, he was being paid to spend the past 4 years signing players not fit for PL football, then? Ok. How do you decide on who's fit for premier league purpose? Danny Simpson has a premier league winner's medal round his neck right now, did you predict that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Nah but the Leicester scouts did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 having a decent coach changes everything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Oh, he was being paid to spend the past 4 years signing players not fit for PL football, then? Ok. How do you decide on who's fit for premier league purpose? Danny Simpson has a premier league winner's medal round his neck right now, did you predict that? I think we all predicted that we would probably struggle to score goals with a 21 year old kid that's new to the league as our main striker this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Nah but the Leicester scouts did. Maybe they'll win the title again next year then. I wonder what the odds are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Oh, he was being paid to spend the past 4 years signing players not fit for PL football, then? Ok. How do you decide on who's fit for premier league purpose? Danny Simpson has a premier league winner's medal round his neck right now, did you predict that? You've spent the best part of a year (rightly) alluding to the fact too many of our players can't compete physically and that Steve McClaren is a shit manager. Now you're saying the bloke most responsible for bringing them here isn't culpable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 having a decent coach changes everything It does aye, which makes his recommendation of McClaren all the more baffling. Would be like recommending your mate buy a selection of great 4k Blu-Ray disks alongside a cathode ray TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Nah but the Leicester scouts did. Maybe they'll win the title again next year then. I wonder what the odds are. They already won it this year, it was a canny big thing. Odds were like 50,000/1 or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Nah but the Leicester scouts did. Maybe they'll win the title again next year then. I wonder what the odds are. Leicester, just like 75 % of the league, didn't sign players last season to try and win the league. They just happened to do it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Oh, he was being paid to spend the past 4 years signing players not fit for PL football, then? Ok. How do you decide on who's fit for premier league purpose? Danny Simpson has a premier league winner's medal round his neck right now, did you predict that? I think we all predicted that we would probably struggle to score goals with a 21 year old kid that's new to the league as our main striker this season. Yeah I did as well. That's why I didn't advocate selling Cisse unless we signed a proven striker which we didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Oh, he was being paid to spend the past 4 years signing players not fit for PL football, then? Ok. How do you decide on who's fit for premier league purpose? Danny Simpson has a premier league winner's medal round his neck right now, did you predict that? I think we all predicted that we would probably struggle to score goals with a 21 year old kid that's new to the league as our main striker this season. Yeah I did as well. That's why I didn't advocate selling Cisse unless we signed a proven striker which we didn't. An ageing Cissé who hasn't been motivated here for 2 years and spent large spells out injured last season. Not the two most reliable strikers IYAM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Honestly man, McClaren didn't even want Thauvin and he brought him in Pardew spoke multiple times about having disagreements with him but "he'd always win," obviously not, hence why he brought in Anita and Yanga-Mbiwa to sit on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 What was Carr's last successful signing btw? Sissoko? And even that's arguable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Oh, he was being paid to spend the past 4 years signing players not fit for PL football, then? Ok. How do you decide on who's fit for premier league purpose? Danny Simpson has a premier league winner's medal round his neck right now, did you predict that? You've spent the best part of a year (rightly) alluding to the fact too many of our players can't compete physically and that Steve McClaren is a shit manager. Now you're saying the bloke most responsible for bringing them here isn't culpable. It depends on the manager's remit. I've always thought that the spine of the side should compete physically, that goes from the goalkeeper, to the central defender and central midfielders. Strikers not so much. You don't need big strikers if you can attack on the counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 What was Carr's last successful signing btw? Sissoko? And even that's arguable It's not arguable. We bought him to make a profit and we will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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