Football's greatest - where does Lionel Messi rank?

[Village Idiot]

I don't know about the CM scouting bit, but it's true that Rangers sought to loan Messi when he was still a Barça B player. We had a bit of a relationship with them at the time, having sold Arteta to them.

[Scotty66]

His stats were insane for a 15/16 year old (perhaps younger?). Apparently Alex's son kept banging on about it and that led to Rangers making the enquiry. They were politely but quickly told "no chance" 

[Mole_Toonfan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

 

How anyone who has seen Messi over the years can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

[Ash]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

 

How anyone who has seen Messi over the years can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

 

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[Froggy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

 

How anyone who has seen Messi over the years can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

 

http://media.top5ofanything.com/uploads/2015/02/American-Whiskey.jpg

 

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[samag]

Aye he was always going to side with Ronaldo. Messi would take the p*ss in the Premier League regardless of what club he was at.

 

this

[triggs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

 

How anyone who has seen Messi over the years can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

 

http://media.top5ofanything.com/uploads/2015/02/American-Whiskey.jpg

 

http://www.haydensport.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/FE.png

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[Froggy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

 

How anyone who has seen Messi over the years can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

 

http://media.top5ofanything.com/uploads/2015/02/American-Whiskey.jpg

 

http://www.haydensport.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/FE.png

http://e2.365dm.com/14/01/16-9/20/Paul-Pogba_3065198.jpg?20140112113701

 

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[ponsaelius]

State of Ferguson by the end, the miserable pisshead. Phil Jones - "he could be our best ever player"

 

Stupid old cunt.

[Flip]

Not even you froggy can agree with what Sir Alex said.

[triggs]

Not even you froggy can agree with what Sir Alex said.

Not sure Froggy does but I've encountered loads of Man Utd fans who think Ronaldo is better than Messi. It's sad really

[Mole_Toonfan]

Thinking he's better is fine, it's an opinion. But the reasoning used is just nonsense, Messi constantly wins games by himself and makes his team better. Where was this superior mentality when Portugal were knocked out of the group stages ??  Not his fault obviously but if he were actually like this then surely he'd be able to get Portugal past the yanks?

 

Ronaldo is a fantastic player but I really struggle to see the logic.

 

[Village Idiot]

What does my head in is the whole "Ronaldo is more complete" argument, just because he can score from headers or something. There's no way Ronaldo could drop to midfield and do the things Messi does there, for example.

[Fenham Mag]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

 

How anyone who has seen Messi over the years can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

 

http://media.top5ofanything.com/uploads/2015/02/American-Whiskey.jpg

 

http://www.haydensport.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/FE.png

http://e2.365dm.com/14/01/16-9/20/Paul-Pogba_3065198.jpg?20140112113701

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9635573.ece/alternates/w460/168662742.jpg

 

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[Fenham Mag]

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[astraguy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

So that's why Ronaldo does so well in major international tournaments

Ronaldo has carried portugal tons of times, Where was messi in the final ?

[triggs]

What does my head in is the whole "Ronaldo is more complete" argument, just because he can score from headers or something. There's no way Ronaldo could drop to midfield and do the things Messi does there, for example.

Ronaldo is clearly less complete like. He's as good a goal scorer as Messi and Messi is better at every single other thing that is important for the positions they play

 

[ponsaelius]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

So that's why Ronaldo does so well in major international tournaments

Ronaldo has carried portugal tons of times, Where was messi in the final ?

 

He was there, in the final. Playing football. Ronaldo was watching it on holiday.

[triggs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32455354

 

Alex Ferguson giving a good little insight into his view on Messi vs Ronaldo, paraphrashing a bit -

 

"Ronaldo can go play for QPR, Millwall and score a hat trick because he's got two feet, strong in the air and very brave. I don't think Messi could do the same. Messi is a Barcelona player".

 

Interesting view from probably the best manager of all time, if you have an entire team built around Messi's strengths, then Messi can probably look better than Ronaldo. But Ferguson reckons Ronaldo can raise the level of the team on his own. From this mentality alone, Ferguson is comparing Ronaldo more with Maradona than Messi in his ability to carry a team alone.

So that's why Ronaldo does so well in major international tournaments

Ronaldo has carried portugal tons of times, Where was messi in the final ?

Portugal didn't get past the group stages mate with Ronaldo missing loads of chances against Ghana iirc. And don't give me this shit that the rest of the Portugal team were basically part timers. They very nearly got to a Euro 2012 final two years before. Also a very limited USA qualified from their group. I presume you are talking about the Sweden playoff when you talk of great Ronaldo performances for Portugal. The only reason they needed a playoff is because they couldn't finish ahead of Russia, who were also very limited. Surely if Ronaldo was always so good for Portugal, he could've guided them to victory over Russia

[Scotty66]

Someone once asked me who I'd rather have in my team,Messi or Ronaldo.

 

I chose Ronaldo.

 

I don't think there's no right or wrong answer tbh,people will always have different opinions.

 

But for me in my make believe fantasy team and the style and system I would play,Ronaldo would be far more effective than Messi.

 

 

[triggs]

Someone once asked me who I'd rather have in my team,Messi or Ronaldo.

 

I chose Ronaldo.

 

I don't think there's no right or wrong answer tbh,people will always have different opinions.

 

But for me in my make believe fantasy team and the style and system I would play,Ronaldo would be far more effective than Messi.

Sorry but there is a right and wrong answer. Messi is a much better player. There is a reason why Messi is often called the best player of all time while Ronaldo has never once been called the best player of all time. If you look at both of them play, Ronaldo is a poacher, an exceptionally good one obviously while Messi is involved in everything as well as being as good a goalscorer as Ronaldo. I usually don't mind people having different opinions but Messi is clearly better than Ronaldo in almost every way.

[Scotty66]

But others think the complete opposite. It really is just a matter of opinion.

 

The only thing everyone can probably agree on is that they're both absolutely exceptional footballers.

 

That's why they've both ended up at the two biggest clubs in the World.

[triggs]

But others think the complete opposite. It really is just a matter of opinion.

 

The only thing everyone can probably agree on is that they're both absolutely exceptional footballers.

 

That's why they've both ended up at the two biggest clubs in the World.

Well they're wrong. I'd love somebody to give me a reason why Ronaldo is better because I can't think of any

[triggs]

Ronaldo is better at penalties tbf

[sixx]

Someone once asked me who I'd rather have in my team,Messi or Ronaldo.

 

I chose Ronaldo.

 

I don't think there's no right or wrong answer tbh,people will always have different opinions.

 

But for me in my make believe fantasy team and the style and system I would play,Ronaldo would be far more effective than Messi.

Sorry but there is a right and wrong answer. Messi is a much better player. There is a reason why Messi is often called the best player of all time while Ronaldo has never once been called the best player of all time. If you look at both of them play, Ronaldo is a poacher, an exceptionally good one obviously while Messi is involved in everything as well as being as good a goalscorer as Ronaldo. I usually don't mind people having different opinions but Messi is clearly better than Ronaldo in almost every way.

Fucking hell. I agree that Messi is probably the best football player ever but this is just nonsense. He's no more a poacher than Messi and there's probably a lot more variance in Ronaldo's goals than Messi's.