ponsaelius Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Henderson>Allen IMO. Think he might actually come good next season. Ner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Allen looks a decent player, better than Henderson. This transfer does make it understandable that we are struggling to sign players if the rest of the world has caught on to Premier league club's business. Henderson £20m Carroll £35m Allen £15m Fletcher £15m Downing £20m Why would you sell Debuchy for £7m, Douglas for £5m etc.. Probably fair prices given the circumstances but clubs like Liverpool are really starting to test the boundaries of fair fees. On the flip side, such is the disparity between revenues in PL clubs and those in other leagues it means that these perceived smaller fees mean a lot to the clubs on the receiving end not too mention the player knows moving to the PL means a huge increase in pay which in turn helps PL clubs apply pressure to the selling club as they can easily convince the player and his reps to put pressure on the selling club. Hence why we barter so hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Allen looks a decent player, better than Henderson. This transfer does make it understandable that we are struggling to sign players if the rest of the world has caught on to Premier league club's business. Henderson £20m Carroll £35m Allen £15m Fletcher £15m Downing £20m Why would you sell Debuchy for £7m, Douglas for £5m etc.. Probably fair prices given the circumstances but clubs like Liverpool are really starting to test the boundaries of fair fees. On the flip side, such is the disparity between revenues in PL clubs and those in other leagues it means that these perceived smaller fees mean a lot to the clubs on the receiving end not too mention the player knows moving to the PL means a huge increase in pay which in turn helps PL clubs apply pressure to the selling club as they can easily convince the player and his reps to put pressure on the selling club. Hence why we barter so hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Henderson>Allen IMO. Think he might actually come good next season. His short passing game is canny and he has no penetration therefore for the Rodgers Swansea blueprint he's perfect. He's a big game bottler but a few reasonable performances and a bit of confidence instilled (plus that from being included in the Euros) will bode well IMO. He'll never achieve his 'value' though, that was ridic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Amazing Are we the only club anywhere intent on "trying" to get a reasonable deal. Crazy figures flying about the market at the minute Nope, us too. That's why we can't get anyone in. At our level, players who can improve the team are simply costing a fortune in fees and wages, unless we take a punt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Was the £15m release clause known about prior to Liverpool's interest? Seems a bit f***ed up if not, Brendan leaving and all. Either way, they can have him for that sort of money. I think he's a good player, Swansea's best by some distance but he's not worth anywhere near that and Liverpool already have too many not-good-enough midfielders He's a good player, but not our best by some distance, most would say not even the best. A very good player though. Rodgers obviously knew about the clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Amazing Are we the only club anywhere intent on "trying" to get a reasonable deal. Crazy figures flying about the market at the minute No your not, Swansea are as well. We had agreed 7 million for Gylfi prior to Rodgers leaving, Laudrup wasn't keen as he thought he could get better for less money, our 3 new signings played very well in our 4-2 win against Blackpool, 2 bought for 4.5 million and 1 loaned for a year with agreed price (6 mil I think). Think we'll surprise everyone again this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 £15m for Fletcher, absolutely mental if that happens. I've read about that various times before but only now it really hit me. That is as bad as £35m for Carroll but in smaller scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Moses is nowhere near good enough, like. Absolutely baffling. If they played him he would do alright IMO, obviously they won't though. As I said earlier, Moses will be a good player at that level if they actually give him time on the pitch. I like his game, and his individual skill, physical attributes, and goal threat would be extremely useful for an impact player. If Abramovich continues buying everything in sight, he can enjoy the massive wage packet as he spends his mid-20s on loan to clubs like Norwich and Sunderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Amazing Are we the only club anywhere intent on "trying" to get a reasonable deal. Crazy figures flying about the market at the minute Nope, us too. That's why we can't get anyone in. At our level, players who can improve the team are simply costing a fortune in fees and wages, unless we take a punt. We are as well. In fact, I think this close season more than any for a while, there are quite a few clubs only interested in value signings. Then there's Liverpool, and their reported activation of Joe Allen's £15m release clause. Fifteen million pounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I'm actually glad there are other clubs not going down the road of madness. Some of the fees being discussed for what are, average players are lunacy. Say it again, slowly, F I F T E E N M I L L I O N P O U N D S That is A LOT of money to spunk away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Fletcher is not a bad player at all, he got a decent tally at a relegated club. However, 15 million is stupid money. 7 or 8m is more like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Thats the world record fee we paid for Shearer. Now its the going rate for a rotation midfielder at Liverpool. Insanity! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Fletcher is not a bad player at all, he got a decent tally at a relegated club. However, 15 million is stupid money. 7 or 8m is more like it. Agreed, he's not a bad player by any means, descent striker but £15 big ones??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I like Fletcher, but for anything approaching £15m it's a big risk. Still, we know there aren't many decent strikers available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I like Fletcher, but for anything approaching £15m it's a big risk. Still, we know there aren't many decent strikers available. Pay £7.5m for Jordan Rhodes, take a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I like Fletcher, but for anything approaching £15m it's a big risk. Still, we know there aren't many decent strikers available. Pay £7.5m for Jordan Rhodes, take a chance. Watched him a couple of times last season and tbf he looked class. Strange actually that no-one has had a punt on him. £7.5 million would be a very expensive punt though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Was the £15m release clause known about prior to Liverpool's interest? Seems a bit f***ed up if not, Brendan leaving and all. Either way, they can have him for that sort of money. I think he's a good player, Swansea's best by some distance but he's not worth anywhere near that and Liverpool already have too many not-good-enough midfielders He's a good player, but not our best by some distance, most would say not even the best. A very good player though. Rodgers obviously knew about the clause. I meant, known about in general, not just to Brendan. The fucked up part being that Brendan is privy to it and has left the club. I haven't watched enough of your football to judge but who do you rate better than Allen? Will be interested to see how you perform next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Alou Diarra to West Ham, £2m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Alou Diarra to West Ham, £2m. Diarra and Diame, ay? Old fat head building quite a solid/robust team there. Hopefully it'll fall to shit for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 He's a good player, but not our best by some distance, most would say not even the best. A very good player though. Rodgers obviously knew about the clause. I meant, known about in general, not just to Brendan. The f***ed up part being that Brendan is privy to it and has left the club. I haven't watched enough of your football to judge but who do you rate better than Allen? Will be interested to see how you perform next season Vorm, kept us in many matches, Williams (another supposed Liverpool target) a rock in defense, Taylor, Britton, Dyer all have been very good. New signings De Guzman and Michu seem the real deals and Chico is already becoming a cult figure, I think we'll do OK this season, maybe better than last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Vorm's a fantastic player, didn't they get him for 1.5m? total steal as good as anything we've done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 yeah an absolute steal but slightly mitigated by the fact hes a goalkeeper and they're normally undervalued Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Vorm looked very handy the few times I seen him. A good buy there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Vorm has a penchant for the hollywood save. Still remember one game on MOTD where he made two routine saves with ludicrously exaggerated dives/acrobatics and was getting praised no end for them. Was completely daft. Good keeper though, very good distribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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