mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 anyways i'd say 'potential-wise' we should be pushing 6th-8th all season as an absolute minimum securing PL status in game 37 doesn't count Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I would have though the top 7 places are tied up although Everton could be interesting with Martinez. I think Villa will be top 10 and possibly West Ham as they seem intent on buying loads of decent players. That leaves one place. I think we have the quality of players at the moment but will the squad be weakened with sales and potential replacements. The manager is the problem for us compared to the other clubs targetting the top 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 you can't nail down a position like, this season has shown how tight the margins can be, but with the players we have we should be challenging for 6-8th to the end of the season imo anything else is failure i expect with fucknuts in charge to be having a passionate love affair with the bottom half again mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's quite a hard one for us to get right, pleasing the fans. On one hand some people just want better football, on the other hand some people are very specific about league positions and European qualification. Obviously both would be ideal. Personally I'm not as full of dread for next season as some. Everything depends on the start really. Pardew is capable of maintaining a winning run and a good team spirit under the right conditions. We will never play brilliant football all the time, but as long as there are enough good moments I will be basically satisfied. Pardew's past record does not indicate that he is capable of maintaining a winning run - look at his results with all previous clubs after his initial successes early on...why did people sack him if he WAS capable of sustained success and what are the 'right conditions' for him to do so ? As for being satisfied with a few decent moments, that is what Ashley WANTS you to be but many fans will not share that opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's quite a hard one for us to get right, pleasing the fans. On one hand some people just want better football, on the other hand some people are very specific about league positions and European qualification. Obviously both would be ideal. Personally I'm not as full of dread for next season as some. Everything depends on the start really. Pardew is capable of maintaining a winning run and a good team spirit under the right conditions. We will never play brilliant football all the time, but as long as there are enough good moments I will be basically satisfied. Pardew's past record does not indicate that he is capable of maintaining a winning run - look at his results with all previous clubs after his initial successes early on...why did people sack him if he WAS capable of sustained success and what are the 'right conditions' for him to do so ? As for being satisfied with a few decent moments, that is what Ashley WANTS you to be but many fans will not share that opinion. It's nothing to do with Ashley, it's the situation in the league and with the teams who can buy success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/comment-as-speculation-mounts-over-the-future-of-yohan-cabaye-newcastle-united-fans-seem-ready-to-let-him-leave-8657401.html Comment: As speculation mounts over the future of Yohan Cabaye, Newcastle United fans seem ready to let him leave The France international, who has been linked with Roma, PSG and Manchester United, is no longer flavour of the month at St James' Park writes Martin Hardy MARTIN HARDY THURSDAY 13 JUNE 2013 Today it is Roma. Last week it was Manchester United. Before that it was Paris St Germain and Monaco. Last summer it was Tottenham. No wonder Newcastle supporters regular burst into song when they win a corner (they never score from them) to sing the name of Yohan Cabaye. In it, they urge Mike Ashley not to sell Cabaye, warning there will be a riot if he does. The signs are now that, if any club actually firms up the plethora of reported interest in Cabaye, then a sizeable, and certainly vocal, section of support, would leave their rioting gear in the garden shed. The tide turns fast on Tyneside. Cabaye, after an indifferent couple of months, is a commodity to be cashed in on. And it is really a couple of months. That Newcastle could afford Cabaye in the first place was down to clever strategy, discovering a clause in the midfielder's contract that would be activated if an offer of €5 million was tabled to Lille, where he had just helped the club he had played at since he was a boy win the Ligue One title and the French Cup (56 years after they had last won a trophy). It was an historic moment. Cabaye wanted a new challenge and last season, at the heart of a Newcastle side brimming with confidence, he excelled, a central midfielder with vision, the ability to control a game, an eye for a goal and a streak to make a tackle. There are a multitude of reasons as to why the North-east's big two have done so little for so long but the lack of genuine quality in the heart of a team has been a key factor. Newcastle had Cabaye. He scored four goals. He made six goals. He made Newcastle tick. He played his way into the France national side for the European Championships. He came into the new season. He has admitted since to feeling fatigued, and that can happen. He also spoke of feeling depressed, and that was perhaps the first true insight into the complexity of his character. Good players can be temperamental. It happens. But even given that situation, three of a pretty slim highlight reel for travelling Newcastle fans came from the boot of Cabaye. His goal at Sunderland would probably have won the Tyne-Wear derby at the Stadium of Light but for the impetuosity of Cheick Tiote. His goal at Liverpool was perhaps the best from a Newcastle player this season. The 25-yard strike at Aston Villa suggested a new dawn was on its way in January. Cabaye ended the season with six goals (two more came against Southampton and Stoke, victories whose importance could only be measured when the campaign had finished). He also set up four goals. It was a dire season for Newcastle, but Cabaye's output was not. He looked demoralised when withdrawn at West Bromwich Albion in April but by then Newcastle's position was perilous, and the football had become more direct. If there is a problem it is in strategy. Cabaye expects the team he plays in to pass the ball more and he does not expect to get stuffed by Manchester City, Sunderland and Liverpool within the space of four weekends. He was annoyed and he said so. I'm not really sure there is much wrong in that. There were not too many Newcastle fans around that period overjoyed with life. His body language in those games should have been better, but for Cabaye there was an expectation the club would move up a level after the exploits of finishing fifth in the Premier League the previous season, not move down two. Newcastle must now ready themselves for a fight to hold onto one of their two most talented players (the other is Hatem Ben Arfa), and that, thankfully, is their standpoint. A figure of £30m has been mentioned and it should give some signal of their intent. Strangely, it does not appear to be one back up from those on the terraces. Perhaps the greatest achievement of Ashley has been to change the psyche of Newcastle's supporters. They still worship individual players at St James' Park but it feels more like a holiday romance. Demba Ba had not left in January and Loic Remy was being touted as a far superior player (Newcastle thought they were close to signing the striker who took a more lucrative contract to move to Queens Park Rangers). Most of those had barely seen Remy play. Ba had scored 29 goals for Newcastle in 54 Premier League starts. He was forgotten before he had even left. The former Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan had to famously stand on the steps outside of the Milburn Stand and argue with Newcastle supporters about why he had given the green light to sell Andy Cole. Heroes used to mean a bit more in those days. Now Cabaye can go from flavour of the month to expendable in the blink of an eye. It is a culture that needs addressing. Clubs who continually sell their best players rarely enjoy success. Newcastle fans really should know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 For fuck sake, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 what the fuck have I just read? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 The end result of the shite being peddled on here on a daily basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 So much wrong with that it's hard to know where to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Of course no one missed Demba, when we stopped being able to score goals out of nothing with him. Awful, awful article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What's wrong with it? Players that leave are almost universally hated these days, and many don't care about selling our best players as long as we make money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means The depressing thing is that the overall point it isn't wrong at all. Yes, there are some innacuracies in the article, and it's wrong that our supporters, as a whole, are being tarred with this image. However, a growing number of people are more concerned with huge fees for players, under the assumption that everyone can be easily replaced. A period of bad form means a player is 'shit', and we'd be 'robbing' the interested party wanting to pay £20m+ for this 'shit' player. It's bollocks. More than likely the byproduct of a generation of Football Manager enthusiasts with massively unrealistic expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What's wrong with it? Players that leave are almost universally hated these days, and many don't care about selling our best players as long as we make money. Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means The depressing thing is that the overall point it isn't wrong at all. Yes, there are some innacuracies in the article, and it's wrong that our supporters, as a whole, are being tarred with this image. However, a growing number of people are more concerned with huge fees for players, under the assumption that everyone can be easily replaced. A period of bad form means a player is 'shit', and we'd be 'robbing' the interested party wanting to pay £20m+ for this 'shit' player. It's bollocks. More than likely the byproduct of a generation of Football Manager enthusiasts with massively unrealistic expectations. It's the willingness to sell on the basis of one bad season that gets me. But TBF not that many people are doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means The depressing thing is that the overall point it isn't wrong at all. Yes, there are some innacuracies in the article, and it's wrong that our supporters, as a whole, are being tarred with this image. However, a growing number of people are more concerned with huge fees for players, under the assumption that everyone can be easily replaced. A period of bad form means a player is 'shit', and we'd be 'robbing' the interested party wanting to pay £20m+ for this 'shit' player. It's bollocks. More than likely the byproduct of a generation of Football Manager enthusiasts with massively unrealistic expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means The depressing thing is that the overall point it isn't wrong at all. Yes, there are some innacuracies in the article, and it's wrong that our supporters, as a whole, are being tarred with this image. However, a growing number of people are more concerned with huge fees for players, under the assumption that everyone can be easily replaced. A period of bad form means a player is 'shit', and we'd be 'robbing' the interested party wanting to pay £20m+ for this 'shit' player. It's bollocks. More than likely the byproduct of a generation of Football Manager enthusiasts with massively unrealistic expectations. i disagree, unless you're referring specifically to what's said on this board, but in general i think there's an acceptance from fans of the realities of football these days...we all remember keegan having to defend the sale of cole on the steps but no-one gives enough fucks now because they know it's ultimately futile the club isn't the fans', nor is it run for the fans, and the fans know it EDIT: what i'm saying is it's not just us, it's a wider thing...spurs sell a fans favourite every fucking summer after swearing to Odin they're definitely not going to but nobody cares, another player will come in and either be as good as the old one, better, or worse....it's irrelevant 'cause they can't change it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means The depressing thing is that the overall point it isn't wrong at all. Yes, there are some innacuracies in the article, and it's wrong that our supporters, as a whole, are being tarred with this image. However, a growing number of people are more concerned with huge fees for players, under the assumption that everyone can be easily replaced. A period of bad form means a player is 'shit', and we'd be 'robbing' the interested party wanting to pay £20m+ for this 'shit' player. It's bollocks. More than likely the byproduct of a generation of Football Manager enthusiasts with massively unrealistic expectations. In a nut shell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Well said Inochi - but I also want to add to that. I think this also has to do with the mindset that has now been drilled into many of our supporters heads in regards to our current ambition. People's expectations are lowering, and any sign of speculation people just assume player wants out, so get rid and sell; Carr will find a replacement and we'll move on. The board has no doubt everyone on edge, and that is a bi-product of the Andy Carroll deal, every window we brace ourselves for a big transfer, and we've also been fearing a fire-sale of all of our top players every single window as well: See Ben Arfa, Tiote, Ba, Cisse, Krul, and Cabaye rumors from last season. But more than likely, the Carroll transfer seems more like a one-off and the rumors of a fire-sale are all classic press speculation. I'm by no means justifying any of the comments or reactions above about selling our players; personally there are a few players I'd lose my shit over if we sold and one of those is Yohan, but I also refuse to fall into this lowered expectation crap that the board are peddling on us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means The depressing thing is that the overall point it isn't wrong at all. Yes, there are some innacuracies in the article, and it's wrong that our supporters, as a whole, are being tarred with this image. However, a growing number of people are more concerned with huge fees for players, under the assumption that everyone can be easily replaced. A period of bad form means a player is 'shit', and we'd be 'robbing' the interested party wanting to pay £20m+ for this 'shit' player. It's bollocks. More than likely the byproduct of a generation of Football Manager enthusiasts with massively unrealistic expectations. Aye blame computer games, nothing to do with the fans in the stands accepting shite performances week on week and still renewing the season after. If these top players are sold and say they aren't replaced, they still turn up and Ashley knows that (The only reason Ashley replaces is he is protecting his investment and doesn't want another relegation) But of course its FM's fault Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 fuck it i'll say it, there's a point in there somewhere for me about how players are more disposable nowadays than they were before i'm not saying it's a good article but it's not 100% wrong by any means The depressing thing is that the overall point it isn't wrong at all. Yes, there are some innacuracies in the article, and it's wrong that our supporters, as a whole, are being tarred with this image. However, a growing number of people are more concerned with huge fees for players, under the assumption that everyone can be easily replaced. A period of bad form means a player is 'shit', and we'd be 'robbing' the interested party wanting to pay £20m+ for this 'shit' player. It's bollocks. More than likely the byproduct of a generation of Football Manager enthusiasts with massively unrealistic expectations. Aye blame computer games, nothing to do with the fans in the stands accepting shite performances week on week and still renewing the season after. If these top players are sold and say they aren't replaced, they still turn up and Ashley knows that (The only reason Ashley replaces is he is protecting his investment and doesn't want another relegation) But of course its FM's fault How is that related to the article, or what I've said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Massively unrealistic expectations? It's a result of lowered expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Cabaye controlling games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 When/If he leaves, please for a foreign club. Monaco sounds good. He can be replaced (As much of our squad can) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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