ponsaelius Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 We were absolutely hopeless from set pieces for the 2 months he was out injured too. Fact is we either have nobody to take them because everybody is rubbish at them, or that our coaching and general set piece routines are absolutely atrocious. It's probably both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Dunno why he takes them all. Mix it up a bit ffs. I suspect when Ben Arfa comes back we will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Jonas takes a good corner but almost never tries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 He doesn't seem to be able to cross either tbf, he's an excellent passer, but I don't think I've seen him properly whip a ball in before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 TBF to him, we don't have anyone in the side who can actually win headers from corners either. Whenever he does hit a half decent corner, we never win the first header. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Its not just his delivery tbf even though its f*cking shit the movement and attacking intent in the box is f*cking awful as well. The whole set piece routine needs a complete overhaul and if that means getting a set piece coach in over the summer then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 TBF to him, we don't have anyone in the side who can actually win headers from corners either. Whenever he does hit a half decent corner, we never win the first header. How does that mitigate for him? Nine out of ten of his corners turn our attack in defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Stick someone right on the front post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Stick someone right on the front post Never gets that far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 TBF to him, we don't have anyone in the side who can actually win headers from corners either. Whenever he does hit a half decent corner, we never win the first header. How does that mitigate for him? Nine out of ten of his corners turn our attack in defence. I didnt say it mitigated him, I said that on the occasion he does put a decent delivery in, we don't win the header. Which means, using your logic, that for 9 out of 10 of his corners, the opposition win the first ball. Even if a corner is poor, you'd expect us to come out with possession roughly 50% of the time. Think before you type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Stick someone right on the front post Never gets that far. Well stick someone in fromt of the defender on the front post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Thought he played some delicious through balls today btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Thought he played some delicious through balls today btw He was good in open play as he always is but we all know that, set pieces are the problem but its not just him the whole set piece plan needs major work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Amazes me why we can't even take a decent corner that doesn't go out of play before it enters the box. Cabaye did one today and I believe another one previously. Anita also did the same. I struggle to find another technical player who's so useless with corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Brilliant today apart from his non-direct set pieces which are . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 TBF to him, we don't have anyone in the side who can actually win headers from corners either. Whenever he does hit a half decent corner, we never win the first header. How does that mitigate for him? Nine out of ten of his corners turn our attack in defence. I didnt say it mitigated him, I said that on the occasion he does put a decent delivery in, we don't win the header. Which means, using your logic, that for 9 out of 10 of his corners, the opposition win the first ball. Even if a corner is poor, you'd expect us to come out with possession roughly 50% of the time. Think before you type. How would you expect us to come out with possession when his corners hit the first man or go sail past the man at the back post? His corners aren't just difficult to attack, they're mostly impossible to attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Could we not have someone challenging the front man? We seem to have put Taylor 5 yards deeper at the back post now for the hoofed one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 It's absolutely laughable, and bordering on criminal, that a top division side is almost zero threat from set pieces as we are. There is no excuse for it whatsoever. We're forfeiting about 5% of our chances of scoring during a game the way we go about our corners and free kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 It's odd that more pressure isn't being put on the side because of it. The rags mentioned it earlier in the season, so we tried a couple of short corners and free kicks, of which they were even worse than normal so we reverted to type. I remember rumours last year that apparently it was in Cabaye's contract that he was designated corner taker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 The shot that hit the bar The corner the followed it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Just whip a corner in with pace into an area which the players will attack, is that asking too much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 It's absolutely laughable, and bordering on criminal, that a top division side is almost zero threat from set pieces as we are. There is no excuse for it whatsoever. We're forfeiting about 5% of our chances of scoring during a game the way we go about our corners and free kicks. Losing much more than 5% IMO. http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389/Stages/6531/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2012-2013 http://i.imgur.com/JreS7bi.png Average of all those percentages is about 24%, so we're well down on the amount of goals we should be scoring via set pieces. Wouldn't matter so much if we were scoring more generally, like most of the teams down the bottom with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 What I don't understand is how he's such a good short and long passer of the ball, has a very good shot on him whether it's in open play or from a free kick, but give him the responsibility of whipping in a free kick and he doesn't do it. Surely he must be being told to drift it to the far post? His corners when he first arrived were very good as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Even those stats are a bit misleading - one is Colo hauling the ball back into the box against Man City after a cleared corner, one is Elliot from his own half against Southampton, two are direct free kicks - struggling to think what the other one is but our conversion from your typical corner/crossed free kick is absolutely non existent. Worrying thing is that it wasn't even any better when Cabaye was out despite Marveaux and Anita trying their luck plenty of times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Even those stats are a bit misleading - one is Colo hauling the ball back into the box against Man City after a cleared corner, one is Elliot from his own half against Southampton, two are direct free kicks - struggling to think what the other one is but our conversion from your typical corner/crossed free kick is absolutely non existent. Worrying thing is that it wasn't even any better when Cabaye was out despite Marveaux and Anita trying their luck plenty of times. must be close to 300 corners with no return. Ba, v Wolves in 2011 was last success from a corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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