Tooj Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Most of Lee's shots ended up in China Town, but yes, much better vision than Cabaye, especially at close quarters while Speed was a massive goal threat in the air and around the box. I'd have either of them over Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. He did it plenty, man. For Keegan and others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye can't control a midfield anywhere near the way Speed could. Can't quite remember Lee as much (age reasons) but I'm fairly sure I'd say the same about him. I think he could but not under this klutz of a manager, he would look a lot better under Sir Bobby IMO. Speed was obviously the better player though. Not sure I'd agree that Speed was better. Speed was far, far more suited to the PL. He'd attack the ball, look to support the attack whenever he could, had a gorgeous range of passing and could tackle. Oh, I thought he meant Speed was better than Lee. I haven't seen enough from Cabaye yet to think he's better than either. Nah better than Cabaye mate, if you were to push me i'd say Lee is the best of the lot. Would be inclined to agree but it's very tight. Lee did a useful job as a holding player towards the end but prior to that he was one of the best all-round midfielders in the country. 2 exceptional NUFC servants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 From 94 to Christmas 95 Lee was definitely the best midfielder in the country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. While true i'd have Lee's consistency and accurate passing over Cabaye's once in 4 or 5 game great pass like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. He did it plenty, man. For Keegan and others. for those who haven't got it I'd recommend the 1000 Goals DVD. You really see how good some of our players were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. While true i'd have Lee's consistency and accurate passing over Cabaye's once in 4 or 5 game great pass like. Basically. Cabaye loves a hollywood ball and its great when it comes off, but its not very often, think every 4-5 games is flattering tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. Perhaps not but his general all-round passing was very good and he did set up quite a few goals. He was never the hollywood ball type, but when it came to passing the ball, he rarely gave it away and more often than not found his man or made a telling pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. Perhaps not but his general all-round passing was very good and he did set up quite a few goals. He was never the hollywood ball type, but when it came to passing the ball, he rarely gave it away and more often than not found his man or made a telling pass. Never said otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 At the end of the day you can have all the ability in the world but if the club doesn't achieve any tangible benefit from it it's academic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cabaye without a shadow of a doubt has superior passing/shooting technical ability than Lee/Speed had. His issues are consistency, fitness, and an inability to dribble or carry the ball effectively. But overall, if given let's say 8 seasons at St James' with at least 2/3 seasons in a quality attacking side surrounded by good movement (as Lee/Speed were), I think he'd be on a par with the both of them come retirement, albeit as a slightly different type of central midfielder. Lee was a superb exponent of shooting/passing. Sorry but Cabaye has nowhere near the same levels of ability when it comes to shooting and passing. Lee never had the vision to pick a pass like Cabaye did for Cisse against Stoke. While true i'd have Lee's consistency and accurate passing over Cabaye's once in 4 or 5 game great pass like. Basically. Cabaye loves a hollywood ball and its great when it comes off, but its not very often, think every 4-5 games is flattering tbh. Fair comment, mind you when you have the tactics of Pardew to contend with, the chronic lack of movement doesn't help Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Rob Lee was the best of the three of them. What a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Rob Lee was twice the player Cabaye is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Rob Lee was the best of the three of them. What a player. At his best, absolutely. Gary Speed was a fantastic player, though. Had pretty much everything you'd want in a CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Put rob lee in our current team and he would struggle, i think cabaye has the potential to be as good but with the current team management it's not going to happen although i would love to be proven wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Put rob lee in our current team and he would struggle, i think cabaye has the potential to be as good but with the current team management it's not going to happen although i would love to be proven wrong. dont agree, think rob lee is just what this team needs - a leader on and off the pitch, and also driving the team forward with his runs. would really give the players a kick up the arse on the pitch - colo's a great guy and someone to look up to but isnt verbal enough on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Rob Lee was twice the player Cabaye is. Comfortably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wor jackie Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I would like Cabaye to issue a smile the moody tit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Keegan never went near a player like Cabaye with good reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Keegan never went near a player like Cabaye with good reason. What do you mean a player like Cabaye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Keegan never went near a player like Cabaye with good reason. What do you mean a player like Cabaye? A dreamboat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Cabaye can only dream to be as good as Rob Lee was for us. On his day, there was no one better in the country for making those late runs, supporting the attack and grabbing goals. Fantastic player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The game has changed a fair bit since then. There's not many central midfielders of that ilk anymore, more specialisation.Although the "shuttler" is increasingly popular which Rob Lee would be playing today. Great energy, getting forward and back in the mould of Vidal/Marchisio/Ramires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Keegan never went near a player like Cabaye with good reason. Yet Keegan said this about Jonas http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jonas-gutierrez-real-deal-says-1472481 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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