Ronaldo Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 His legs are already starting to tire. That's because he's being asked to be some kind of target man, old stylee. Criminally our entire side/players look really tired after 60 minutes. That's basically been Ba since he joined us, though. He fades terribly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 His legs are already starting to tire. That's because he's being asked to be some kind of target man, old stylee. Criminally our entire side/players look really tired after 60 minutes. That's basically been Ba since he joined us, though. He fades terribly. I've noticed he does seem to fade quite a lot but then I've seen him put in full 90 minute shifts. In general though, I'd say along with quite a few of our players, he doesn't have the best range in terms of stamina and that for me personally is a training issue. If he genuinely cannot last the full 90 he should be used in ways that his stamina etc. correlate with. He is being flogged though in my opinion in the same way Jonas is often flogged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 His legs are already starting to tire. That's because he's being asked to be some kind of target man, old stylee. Criminally our entire side/players look really tired after 60 minutes. That's basically been Ba since he joined us, though. He fades terribly. I've noticed he does seem to fade quite a lot but then I've seen him put in full 90 minute shifts. In general though, I'd say along with quite a few of our players, he doesn't have the best range in terms of stamina and that for me personally is a training issue. If he genuinely cannot last the full 90 he should be used in ways that his stamina etc. correlate with. He is being flogged though in my opinion in the same way Jonas is often flogged. I don't understand how him 'being flogged' had anything to do with being unable to control the football for the first 45 minutes of the game. Was he tired in the first 3 minutes when the ball was played into him in acres of space and subsequently bounced 5 feet away from him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 His legs are already starting to tire. That's because he's being asked to be some kind of target man, old stylee. Criminally our entire side/players look really tired after 60 minutes. That's basically been Ba since he joined us, though. He fades terribly. I've noticed he does seem to fade quite a lot but then I've seen him put in full 90 minute shifts. In general though, I'd say along with quite a few of our players, he doesn't have the best range in terms of stamina and that for me personally is a training issue. If he genuinely cannot last the full 90 he should be used in ways that his stamina etc. correlate with. He is being flogged though in my opinion in the same way Jonas is often flogged. I don't understand how him 'being flogged' had anything to do with being unable to control the football for the first 45 minutes of the game. Was he tired in the first 3 minutes when the ball was played into him in acres of space and subsequently bounced 5 feet away from him? To play well, to perform well, requires confidence and all kinds of things. He as an individual despite his goals just like the team as a whole is struggling. It has nowt to do with his ability, he is no cart horse, he is one of the best all-round strikers in Europe on his day. I'm basically saying the way he and the team are being coached/asked/or whatever to play, is effecting his game in a negative way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Poor again. Lucky their keeper dropped a ball for our goal. It was a four on two and he shot. Usual shocking decision making. Put him out wide with Cisse up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Ball greedy and not doing anything well for us lately. I've said it before but I'd happily get rid of him in Jan so we can play 4-3-3 again since he's too reluctant/selfish to play on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Scapegoat despite being one of our better performers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Scapegoat despite being one of our better performers. Yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Scapegoat? Not from my pov. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Scapegoat despite being one of our better performers. He deserves a lot of credit for scoring 8 goals in that side, but he's hurting us with his first touch lately. That and his recurring problem - being totally and utterly fucked after 65 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 He's the only player scoring and people want him out wide. Insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 He's the only player scoring and people want him out wide. Insane. Not at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You can actually make both arguments with that fact. We were a far bigger threat when he wasn't scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 He's the only player scoring and people want him out wide. Insane. No it's not, as we probably would score more goals as a team, im very confident that Cissé would find form again played the right way. (at least while everyone's fit) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You can actually make both arguments with that fact. We were a far bigger threat when he wasn't scoring. He was still getting chances too, which still boggles my mind as people seem to totally gloss over that fact. He was just missing them. Obviously he was having to work harder and run a fair bit more in terms of tracking back but there were also plenty of occasions where he swapped with Cisse for prolonged periods and it was Cisse doing the donkey work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Scapegoat despite being one of our better performers. He deserves a lot of credit for scoring 8 goals in that side, but he's hurting us with his first touch lately. That and his recurring problem - being totally and utterly f***ed after 65 minutes. We heard you the first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The funny thing is he always played out on the left at Hoffenheim, so I don't know why he's been so fussy about it. He probably didn't have to track back as much for them though, as someone alluded to already. Probably doesn't fancy all the extra running involved. Really annoying situation though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The funny thing is he always played out on the left at Hoffenheim, so I don't know why he's been so fussy about it. He probably didn't have to track back as much for them though, as someone alluded to already. Probably doesn't fancy all the extra running involved. Really annoying situation though. Probably loved being the main man scoring goals for fun, wasn't the same while there, can't blame him. Should be enough of a professional and team player to accept what's best for the team though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You can actually make both arguments with that fact. We were a far bigger threat when he wasn't scoring. He was still getting chances too, which still boggles my mind as people seem to totally gloss over that fact. He was just missing them. Obviously he was having to work harder and run a fair bit more in terms of tracking back but there were also plenty of occasions where he swapped with Cisse for prolonged periods and it was Cisse doing the donkey work. He was miss kicking, snatching at shots, hitting the bar a few times or getting tripped in box before he was going to tee up etc. had he scored those hed be perfectly fine in the role. But he seems to think it was the role vs his own inability to score / get a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You can actually make both arguments with that fact. We were a far bigger threat when he wasn't scoring. When we where winning? When we kept clean sheets? Steven Taylor didn't play during our best period, is Williamson better than him too? Playing alongside Cisse doesn't suit Ba much either but he's still managed to score goals. If any should be dropped or moved wide it should be Cisse. I haven't seen ANYTHING from Cisse this season that suggests he should play up top by himself. We where 4-4-2 several times at the end of last season when he was on fire. Including the debut goal and the Chelsea match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Can't see any decent arguments against keeping Cisse central at all times TBH. Ba is a good player, but Cisse is absolutely lethal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You can actually make both arguments with that fact. We were a far bigger threat when he wasn't scoring. When we where winning? When we kept clean sheets? Steven Taylor didn't play during our best period, is Williamson better than him too? Playing alongside Cisse doesn't suit Ba much either but he's still managed to score goals. If any should be dropped or moved wide it should be Cisse. I haven't seen ANYTHING from Cisse this season that suggests he should play up top by himself. We where 4-4-2 several times at the end of last season when he was on fire. Including the debut goal and the Chelsea match. Cisse hasn't shown anything to suggest he can play wide, playing him there would be strange. Other than Ben Arfa, who will be on the other wing, Ba is the only competent player on our books who can play as a wide forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Ba is only behind Suarez and Van Persie in the top goal scorer chart. That's a big enough reason for him staying where he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Cisse is awful out wide the fact we are even discussing it is ridiculous If Cisse is going to be deployed out wide you might as well not play him at all, complete waste of a footballer and a great footballer at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Ba is only behind Suarez and Van Persie in the top goal scorer chart. That's a big enough reason for him staying where he is. If we didn't need to drastically shake things up this would go without saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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