Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 f*** off man. Don't let facts get in the way of a vendetta. I'm sure once the likes of Routledge go, we'll get cover at full-back, etc. Until then, we can't do owt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Our defence.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 f*** off man. Don't let facts get in the way of a vendetta. You want facts? Check our record for transfer spending since Ashley joined. Also, since you are suddenly so big on facts, why are you including Erdinc in our squad like he's already signed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Not one of those players is pre-Ashley bar Harper & Ameobi are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 we shouldn't even be considering registering Xisco or Smith or Routledge ffs. the first two are write-offs, the latter is almost certain to leave with a number of clubs bidding for him. worst excuse yet. there are a lot of people on here who spent the majority of their time making up excuses for Ashley, sympathising with Ashley, or making apologies for Ashley, while not at all considering themselves to be Ashley sympathisers or Ashley apologists. At what point to do you stop trying to appear like you are some sort of considered contrarian valiantly battling against the knee-jerkers, and just actually become an Ashley apologist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Not one of those players is pre-Ashley bar Harper & Ameobi are they? Just S.Taylor and the other keepers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 f*** off man. Don't let facts get in the way of a vendetta. I'm sure once the likes of Routledge go, we'll get cover at full-back, etc. Until then, we can't do owt. I'm an optimist, but I'm not sure it will be that easy. Hopefully you're right like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Not one of those players is pre-Ashley bar Harper & Ameobi are they? Taylor krul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 we shouldn't even be considering registering Xisco or Smith or Routledge ffs. the first two are write-offs, the latter is almost certain with a number of clubs bidding for him. worst excuse yet. So, that's what, £100k a week on wages doing nowt, £5m for the season? As if we'd sanction that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Not one of those players is pre-Ashley bar Harper & Ameobi are they? Steven Taylor, but otherwise aye. Just three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Marveaux, Ba, Erding. No ambition since we've came back up like. It's all relative ffs, if we were genuinely on the bare bones of our arse then that would be absolutely outstanding. We've brought in £39m worth of fees since January and spent £4.6m, roughly £10m should we get Erding. That's shit. Erdinc would actually make it £16.75m on transfer fees since January. Marveaux and Ba will have cost us at least a few million as well as will signing on/agent fees for the rest. Somewhere between £20m-£24m would be my rough guess. There should definitely be cash left to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 we shouldn't even be considering registering Xisco or Smith or Routledge ffs. the first two are write-offs, the latter is almost certain with a number of clubs bidding for him. worst excuse yet. Obviously we'll register all three if they're still here, when does a club ever have that many highly-paid players not registered for the squad?? I think never is the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 f*** off man. Don't let facts get in the way of a vendetta. You want facts? Check our record for transfer spending since Ashley joined. Also, since you are suddenly so big on facts, why are you including Erdinc in our squad like he's already signed? Spent about £48m (up to now) haven't we, in the 4 season he's been here? That's not a bad outlay for someone who many claim won't spend on players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Until they're sold, we're stuck with them. Can you see Ashley justifying signing more players and having the likes of Smith and Perch on the books but not registered? Harper, Krul, Forster R.Taylor, S.Taylor, Coloccini, Enrique, Williamson, Simpson, Perch Ben Arfa, Jonas, Marveaux, Cabaye, Barton, Guthrie, Tiote, Routledge, Smith Ba, Erding, Ameobi, Xisco, Lovenkrands, Best Unfortunately until the likes of Routledge, Smith & Xisco definitely leave, we have no space. Enrique and Routledge will both leave. Can't see a future for either Xisco, Lovenkrands (if Erdinc comes in) or Smith here so it wouldn't surprise me if they were left off the list. Gosling (and Ranger?) need to be added though. Still need to strengthen the defence imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Hardly think Xisco future depends on what Erdinc does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 we shouldn't even be considering registering Xisco or Smith or Routledge ffs. the first two are write-offs, the latter is almost certain to leave with a number of clubs bidding for him. worst excuse yet. there are a lot of people on here who spent the majority of their time making up excuses for Ashley, sympathising with Ashley, or making apologies for Ashley, while not at all considering themselves to be Ashley sympathisers or Ashley apologists. At what point to do you stop trying to appear like you are some sort of considered contrarian valiantly battling against the knee-jerkers, and just actually become an Ashley apologist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 we shouldn't even be considering registering Xisco or Smith or Routledge ffs. the first two are write-offs, the latter is almost certain with a number of clubs bidding for him. worst excuse yet. So, that's what, £100k a week on wages doing nowt, £5m for the season? As if we'd sanction that. Hold on a sec, I thought extra wages were coming out of the transfer funds? In which case it wouldn't matter. Now there is some barrier beyond which we can't sanction an extra signing because Alan Smith has 11 months left on his contract. this really is getting beyond ridiculous now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I can't see us not registering Xisco & Smith if they've not found a club, otherwise it's basically £5m out of the club doing nothing, not a cat in hell's chance we'd let that happen. Until they go, I can't see us bringing people in. And agree on the defence, can see a full-back of some sorts on top of an Enrique replacement if Routledge leaves, for instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 we shouldn't even be considering registering Xisco or Smith or Routledge ffs. the first two are write-offs, the latter is almost certain to leave with a number of clubs bidding for him. worst excuse yet. there are a lot of people on here who spent the majority of their time making up excuses for Ashley, sympathising with Ashley, or making apologies for Ashley, while not at all considering themselves to be Ashley sympathisers or Ashley apologists. At what point to do you stop trying to appear like you are some sort of considered contrarian valiantly battling against the knee-jerkers, and just actually become an Ashley apologist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Until they're sold, we're stuck with them. Can you see Ashley justifying signing more players and having the likes of Smith and Perch on the books but not registered? Harper, Krul, Forster R.Taylor, S.Taylor, Coloccini, Enrique, Williamson, Simpson, Perch Ben Arfa, Jonas, Marveaux, Cabaye, Barton, Guthrie, Tiote, Routledge, Smith Ba, Erding, Ameobi, Xisco, Lovenkrands, Best Unfortunately until the likes of Routledge, Smith & Xisco definitely leave, we have no space. Enrique and Routledge will both leave. Can't see a future for either Xisco, Lovenkrands (if Erdinc comes in) or Smith here so it wouldn't surprise me if they were left off the list. Gosling (and Ranger?) need to be added though. Still need to strengthen the defence imo. both u21 so don't count to register I think, and theres no way Smith etc won't be registered if they're still here, on too much to sanction them sitting on their arse all the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Marveaux, Ba, Erding. No ambition since we've came back up like. Imagine how good we could be if we were willing to add to that with the 'fantastic' money we brought in for Carroll, and weren't going into the season still relying on Smith, Ameobi, Lovenkrands, Guthrie, Perch and friends in case of the inevitable injuries and suspensions. We've a good core, which could be even better if that little bit of ambition was matched by our owner's wallet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Marveaux, Ba, Erding. No ambition since we've came back up like. It's all relative ffs, if we were genuinely on the bare bones of our arse then that would be absolutely outstanding. We've brought in £39m worth of fees since January and spent £4.6m, roughly £10m should we get Erding. That's shit. We'll have spent £16.75m on transfer fees since January if we buy Erdinc for £6.5m. Marveaux and Ba will have cost us a few million as well (as will signing on/agent fees for the rest), so conservatively we'll have spent something just over £20m. There should definitely be cash left to spend. I've left out agent fees and signing on fees, it's only since we've had this £35m to spend that the club has suddenly started counting those in money spent. I'm aware that could be a very clever move to make us not get held to ransom due to have a large amount of unspent money, but I choose believe that it's just bullshit from Pardew upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 we shouldn't even be considering registering Xisco or Smith or Routledge ffs. the first two are write-offs, the latter is almost certain to leave with a number of clubs bidding for him. worst excuse yet. there are a lot of people on here who spent the majority of their time making up excuses for Ashley, sympathising with Ashley, or making apologies for Ashley, while not at all considering themselves to be Ashley sympathisers or Ashley apologists. At what point to do you stop trying to appear like you are some sort of considered contrarian valiantly battling against the knee-jerkers, and just actually become an Ashley apologist? Name one club who'd pay £5m for two players to sit on their backsides all season knowing even in the worst injury crisis they'd be unable to play? Pathetic this "Ashley excuses" thing like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Surely to replace players you need offers to come in for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Until they're sold, we're stuck with them. Can you see Ashley justifying signing more players and having the likes of Smith and Perch on the books but not registered? Harper, Krul, Forster R.Taylor, S.Taylor, Coloccini, Enrique, Williamson, Simpson, Perch Ben Arfa, Jonas, Marveaux, Cabaye, Barton, Guthrie, Tiote, Routledge, Smith Ba, Erding, Ameobi, Xisco, Lovenkrands, Best Unfortunately until the likes of Routledge, Smith & Xisco definitely leave, we have no space. Enrique and Routledge will both leave. Can't see a future for either Xisco, Lovenkrands (if Erdinc comes in) or Smith here so it wouldn't surprise me if they were left off the list. Gosling (and Ranger?) need to be added though. Still need to strengthen the defence imo. both u21 so don't count to register I think, and theres no way Smith etc won't be registered if they're still here, on too much to sanction them sitting on their arse all the time Makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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