Frazzle Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Not enough, I do like quite a few of our back up players though and some of our youngsters have a chance to step up. Shouldn't be the case but the likes of Sammy, Vuckic, Ferguson and maybe even Abeid are going to get chances and I am actually quite excited by that. The general concensus is Ferguson isn't a left back but I am backing the lad to prove a lot of people wrong, tenacious despite being slight of frame, quick and will get forward very well. Reckon this could be his year if given the chance and Santon goes over to the right. Pardew didn't have the bottle to start Sammy or Vuckic against Fulham despite Lovenkrands playing 120mins a few days before. Can't see many chances for them this season unless Pardew changes his opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Marveaux won't play more than ten league games, that's my prediction. You planning to do him over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Marveaux won't play more than ten league games, that's my prediction. Not like you to be so optimistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertCommunicator Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Harper Krul Raylor Saylor Coloccini Santon Cabaye Tiote Jonas Marveux Obertan Vuckic Ben Arfa Shola Ba Sammy Would be immense IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Not enough, I do like quite a few of our back up players though and some of our youngsters have a chance to step up. Shouldn't be the case but the likes of Sammy, Vuckic, Ferguson and maybe even Abeid are going to get chances and I am actually quite excited by that. The general concensus is Ferguson isn't a left back but I am backing the lad to prove a lot of people wrong, tenacious despite being slight of frame, quick and will get forward very well. Reckon this could be his year if given the chance and Santon goes over to the right. Pardew didn't have the bottle to start Sammy or Vuckic against Fulham despite Lovenkrands playing 120mins a few days before. Can't see many chances for them this season unless Pardew changes his opinion. That was worrying like, hopefully he's just unsure at the moment rather than totally against the idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Not enough, I do like quite a few of our back up players though and some of our youngsters have a chance to step up. Shouldn't be the case but the likes of Sammy, Vuckic, Ferguson and maybe even Abeid are going to get chances and I am actually quite excited by that. The general concensus is Ferguson isn't a left back but I am backing the lad to prove a lot of people wrong, tenacious despite being slight of frame, quick and will get forward very well. Reckon this could be his year if given the chance and Santon goes over to the right. I would love that. Pinning a lot of hope onto Ferguson and Tavernier. Abeid, Ameobi and Vuckic go without saying. IMO they should all be out on loan getting their minutes in, not filling in for squad deficiencies. Agree entirely. Still think a couple of them will, at least. We're in good shape in terms of fitness at this moment, would be a good opportunity to get them out for a month or more. tbh it has been one thing I've been impressed with re: Pardew since he came in. Hughton was seemingly reluctant to loan players out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 "Failed us"? I shouldn't have alluded to the joke of a transfer policy. It wasn't my intention to bring the politics into this thread so i'll move on from this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krybel Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Harper Krul Raylor Saylor Coloccini Santon Cabaye Tiote Jonas Marveux Obertan Vuckic Ben Arfa Shola Ba Sammy Would be immense IMO. Definitely the right decision to put Best on the bench in that formation. To crowded up front i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team that started v Villa last season: Newcastle 01 Harper 02 Coloccini 03 Jose Enrique 06 Williamson 14 Perch 04 Nolan 07 Barton 10 Routledge (Ameobi 76) 18 Gutierrez (Xisco 80) 09 Carroll 17 Smith (Taylor 76) ...definitely strengthened in 12months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team that started v Villa last season: Newcastle 01 Harper 02 Coloccini 03 Jose Enrique 06 Williamson 14 Perch 04 Nolan 07 Barton 10 Routledge (Ameobi 76) 18 Gutierrez (Xisco 80) 09 Carroll 17 Smith (Taylor 76) ...definitely strengthened in 12months. cherry picking to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Would I be wrong to suggest that it looks as though only the midfield has been strengthened this summer? Even that's debatable given the influence of Barton and Nolan last season... only if you look at it in the most basic of terms, merveaux isn't a forward but is very attacking,cabaye is a midfielder but will overall be much better for us than nolan. I am amazed by the basic way many look at football, very much in FM terms, how many on here scream for 4-4-2 with wingers etc when it's patently obvious thats not going to get the best from our squad. Of course, "patently obvious" to the footballing sage that is madras. I'm fairly certain some people speak in those terms as an easy way of communicating on a forum where every single slip of the finger (tongue) is pounced upon given half an opportunity. The defence, at the very least, is a separate entity then. To me it looks weaker on paper. In terms of the "attacking section" of the team, it remains up for debate, especially if you merge it together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Not enough, I do like quite a few of our back up players though and some of our youngsters have a chance to step up. Shouldn't be the case but the likes of Sammy, Vuckic, Ferguson and maybe even Abeid are going to get chances and I am actually quite excited by that. The general concensus is Ferguson isn't a left back but I am backing the lad to prove a lot of people wrong, tenacious despite being slight of frame, quick and will get forward very well. Reckon this could be his year if given the chance and Santon goes over to the right. I would love that. Pinning a lot of hope onto Ferguson and Tavernier. Abeid, Ameobi and Vuckic go without saying. Not to make excuses for the wankers who have failed us this summer, but i would genuinely consider the likes of Vuckic, Sammy and Ferguson as 'new signings'. They certainly weren't really official squad members last season, with only Ferguson looking remotely likely of breaking into the first team. That said, if the likes of Lovenkrands and Smith keep getting the nod ahead of them, then fucking forget it. That us key for me, Pardew has shown some common sense with the youth since he got here but he really must take a fe more risks with youth. Smith and Loven should be as far away from the team as possible. Vuckic was brilliant pre-season, Abeid looked promising, Sammy again has been outstanding when given the chance recently they all need to get chances ahead of players we know can't do it anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team that started v Villa last season: Newcastle 01 Harper 02 Coloccini 03 Jose Enrique 06 Williamson 14 Perch 04 Nolan 07 Barton 10 Routledge (Ameobi 76) 18 Gutierrez (Xisco 80) 09 Carroll 17 Smith (Taylor 76) ...definitely strengthened in 12months. cherry picking to be honest. Cherry picking what? This was the team that started a match about 12 months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertCommunicator Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Or more sensibly: Krul Raylor Saylor Colo Santa Cabaye Tiote Jonas Marv Barfa Best However, that is far from definate. IMO, there is a lot of scope for rotation during injury/loss of form. Only player who are nailed on are: Krul Colo Saylor Santon Cabaye Tiote Jonas Barfa Whereas the other four positions will be a fight between: Simpson Raylor Marveux Obertan Vuckic Best Ba Ameobi Sameobi So actually, apart from LB and CB, we've got decent squad depth. (Oh, and I can see Sameobi being the new Carroll. In a good way.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rainforest Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I used to defend Lovenkrants once. No more, he should be chased away from the stadium come matchday - with pitchforks if necessary. The same goes for Smith, and to a certain degree, Shola as well. I honestly believe Shola and Lovenkrants - given 38 full games - would perhaps score 10-12 goals between them, and that for me is just insulting. I`d rather gamble starting Abeid and Sammy Ameobi, fully taking responsibility for any cock-up a a result of that. I honestly dont think they could do much worse than Loven/Shola even if they tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dell Boi Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team that started v Villa last season: Newcastle 01 Harper 02 Coloccini 03 Jose Enrique 06 Williamson 14 Perch 04 Nolan 07 Barton 10 Routledge (Ameobi 76) 18 Gutierrez (Xisco 80) 09 Carroll 17 Smith (Taylor 76) ...definitely strengthened in 12months. Agreed. Harper, Williamson, Perch, Nolan, Routeledge and Smith have all been replaced for the better from that line-up, fuck knows how we put 6 past Villa with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team that started v Villa last season: Newcastle 01 Harper 02 Coloccini 03 Jose Enrique 06 Williamson 14 Perch 04 Nolan 07 Barton 10 Routledge (Ameobi 76) 18 Gutierrez (Xisco 80) 09 Carroll 17 Smith (Taylor 76) ...definitely strengthened in 12months. cherry picking to be honest. Cherry picking what? This was the team that started a match about 12 months ago. but no one would put routledge,perch,smith and imo williamson in our standard best 11 from last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team against West Ham a year ago (Ben Arfa injured of course): Krul Simpson Enrique Coloccini Williamson Nolan Barton Tiote Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez £40m later and........ in all likelihood we haven't made any progress whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team that started v Villa last season: Newcastle 01 Harper 02 Coloccini 03 Jose Enrique 06 Williamson 14 Perch 04 Nolan 07 Barton 10 Routledge (Ameobi 76) 18 Gutierrez (Xisco 80) 09 Carroll 17 Smith (Taylor 76) ...definitely strengthened in 12months. cherry picking to be honest. Cherry picking what? This was the team that started a match about 12 months ago. but no one would put routledge,perch,smith and imo williamson in our standard best 11 from last season. Didn't say anyone would, just picked a game from about a year ago to see how the line-up had changed. At the time, no-one had seen Tiote play, Carroll was completely unproven in the Premierleague, question marks hung over Nolan and if he could cut it in the Premiership, Barton hadn't performed during his 3 years, Perch was seen as a 'smart' squad addition, Routledge still hadn't proven himself in the Premiership, then we had Smith being...Smith. Question marks raised over Marveaux, Ba and Obertan already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team against Everton a year ago: Harper Perch Jose Enrique Williamson Coloccini Tiote Barton Nolan Carroll Routledge Ben Arfa Team against West Ham a year ago (Ben Arfa injured of course): Krul Simpson Enrique Coloccini Williamson Nolan Barton Tiote Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez £40m later and........ in all likelihood we haven't made any progress whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team against West Ham a year ago (Ben Arfa injured of course): Krul Simpson Enrique Coloccini Williamson Nolan Barton Tiote Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez £40m later and........ in all likelihood we haven't made any progress whatsoever. Perch does really bring the 'average' down there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Well at least one fan is happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Ok you changed that, sure that was the Everton side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Team against Everton a year ago: Harper Perch Jose Enrique Williamson Coloccini Tiote Barton Nolan Carroll Routledge Ben Arfa Team against West Ham a year ago (Ben Arfa injured of course): Krul Simpson Enrique Coloccini Williamson Nolan Barton Tiote Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez £40m later and........ in all likelihood we haven't made any progress whatsoever. Yes Stuart? Felt the West Ham game was a better representation of our strongest XI Ok you changed that, sure that was the Everton side I did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Except we have.. Put our best side now against that side and it looks much better IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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