Keefaz Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 There's probably a good player in there, but whether or not Pardew is the man to bring that out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I say give him a chance, and I was depressed watching lovelyhands playing left and right wing last few seasons. Obertan at least seems comfortable on both wings. You have to ask is he an improvement on what we had in squad last year and he looks better than lovely, scream, and routledge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Admittedly, I haven't seen much of either him or Barnetta, but I think I'd rather have the latter tbh. Would still be reasonably happy with Obertan, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I say give him a chance, and I was depressed watching lovelyhands playing left and right wing last few seasons. Obertan at least seems comfortable on both wings. You have to ask is he an improvement on what we had in squad last year and he looks better than lovely, scream, and routledge totally forgot this, so this is another piece of smart business then really - upgraded player with minimal outlay shame we're only apparently capable of 1in/1out deals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 It's not the worst gamble, but it's interesting he failed to develop at Bordeaux, then failed to push on at Man U. Personally I just wonder if a player can develop a football brain, because physically he's got everything, it's obviously intelligence he's missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 he could be a taarbat he could be a bellion im honestly think the former Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Doesn't look like anyone's going to say it... ...he's good on FM http://r23.imgfast.net/users/2315/26/92/92/smiles/357947.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Always try to judge signings from both sides of things. Had Sunderland signed him I'd be ripping the shit out of them. Can't pretend otherwise, he's looked a poor player. Obviously I hope he improves and does well but i'll not hold my breath. We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 22 years old, time is on his side i suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 There's probably a good player in there, but whether or not Pardew is the man to bring that out... I think this is it really. He's not set the world alight for Man Utd, but he has shown glimpses that there is a good player in him, and he's done well in pre-season this season (from what I've seen), so it's just a matter if we can get the best out of him or not. As Ronaldo mentioned, he's definitely an improvement on some of our current options as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 The way I see it is that he is no worse than Routledge but is un-tested in the Premiership, he could turn out to be a good player he could turn out to be shit, but in my opinion he strengthens the squad, Pardew has no confidence in Routledge and would have only used him at the very last resort, you would think that Pardew actually wants Obertan so is more than likely to play him, so in that sense we have improved the squad. However, he could turn out to be an awful player, just haven't seen enough of him to make my own judgement either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Looks a decent deal. Would give us much needed pace and strength in depth in a key position. If the climate was generally better this might be seen as a more positive signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 One thing I do like is that this has come pretty much under the radar, was it Wednesday or Thursday he was first linked and now it looks fairly nailed on. SteveMc you make a good point if the Barton shot had not had happened but Routledge was sold and Obertan brought in I think a lot would see it as far more positive. As it is some think its Barton's replacement/our badly needed striker. Lets hope he is Routledge's replacement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Could we not use this las pace off Ba? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I'm would actually be quite pleased with this signing (as long as it isn't the last). He can play on the wings, and up front. he has a lot of pace and is seemingly quite skillful. Fair enough his end product is often dissapointing, but that is the sort of thing that often only comes with getting a run in the first team - very often fringe players (particularly at big clbs) are so desperate to take their chance in the first team they try to score the wonder goal or go for a mazy dribble rather than looking for the simple pass. I think he might do quite well here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 found this while looking round red cafe found this by Andy Brassel from when he signed for Man U to give some kind of detail on the player, bit out of date but worth a look anyway Introducing... Gabriel Obertan United’s new signing may be something of an unknown quantity in England, but over in France they’ve been singing his praises for years. In fact, Gabriel Obertan was being tipped for the top long before he even made his senior debut for Bordeaux as a 17-year-old. So what sort of player is the France U21 international? And what can United fans expect from his first season at Old Trafford? To find out, we spoke exclusively to BBC 5Live’s European football expert Andy Brassell... How highly rated is Obertan in France? He’s a terrific player, although, to be honest, I think some people in France are quite surprised by the transfer. He’s been on the cusp of something great at Bordeaux for a while now – he made his debut at 17 – but he hasn’t quite kicked on and forced himself into the side on a regular basis. Despite that, I think he’ll be a really good fit at United. What are his main attributes? He’s a very versatile player and the way United play you need your frontmen to be mobile and flexible. He’s a right-sided attacker, but he can also drop back into midfield or play as a second striker. He could probably also play in central midfield, and I expect his adaptability is one reason Sir Alex was interested in him. He went through the famous Clairefontaine football academy so he has a lot of technical ability and he’s also very quick. So he’s not a like-for-like replacement for Cristiano Ronaldo? No, I don’t think you can compare him to Ronaldo or claim he’ll be a direct replacement – they’re different sorts of players. However, like Ronaldo when he first came to England, there’s an element of the unknown around Obertan, which could work in his favour. Remember, though, Obertan’s played about 100 first-team games already and he’s played in the Champions League, so he has decent experience under his belt. In that sense, he’s maybe better prepared for England than Ronaldo was when he first arrived. Obertan also understands his attributes very well: he’s direct and has plenty of tricks, but he’s not going to over-elaborate or do them for the sake of showing off. Are we talking about a future star? Well, a lot of people in France think he could become something really special. He hasn’t quite progressed at the rate people had hoped after his debut at 17, but he’s also been a little bit unlucky. Last year, for instance, Bordeaux played Roma in the Champions League and Obertan started terrifically. Bordeaux went 1-0 up and things were looking really good. But then their centre-back was sent off and Obertan was sacrificed for a defender and Bordeaux ended up losing. Similar things have happened on one or two other occasions and there was a feeling that it just wasn’t going to happen for him at Bordeaux, a feeling that luck just wasn’t going his way. He was sent out on loan to FC Lorient for the second half of 2008/09. They’re not exactly a big club…That’s true, but he did very well at Lorient. And the fact that Bordeaux sent him on loan to a struggling side shouldn’t be seen as a negative. I think it served two purposes: it said to him that he needed to play more games and start making some progress, but it also would have provided a valuable education. Lorient are a modest club without bells or whistles – he would have been forced to work hard there and roll his sleeves up and get stuck in. While he was there he played for France U21s against England U21s in Nottingham. France won that night, Obertan was the best player on the park and scored the first goal. That performance was a good indication of what he’s capable of. Realistically, how much can United fans expect to see him this season? He’s relatively unknown so I don’t think too much will be expected of him. There won’t be too much pressure. I see it almost as a free season for him to ease himself into the club. I definitely wouldn’t like to see him go out on loan – he has such fantastic players to learn from at United and because he’s tall, pacy and has tricks I think he’ll work really well as an impact substitute against tired defenders. I can see him playing about 25 games this season. Can he cope with the rigours of the English game? Absolutely. I think the French league, in general, is a great finishing school for life in England. It’s physically tougher than most other leagues in Europe – certainly the Spanish, Portuguese, German or Italian leagues – so that helps players prepare for the Premier League. Most players who have come from France to England are quite physical and get stuck in – people like Drogba and Essien at Chelsea and even Bassong at Newcastle. Obertan is a big guy – 6ft 1in – he’s quick and he can handle himself against defenders. I think that’s something that would have really appealed to United. I find it quite encouraging reading that. Easy to imagine how he could have lost his way at Man U a bit. Wether we can get him to blossom again and continue where he left off is another matter but to say he's shit is unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 This club's a graveyard for potential. We'll ruin any chance of him developing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 dont wanna judge him too early, but im pretty impressed with a few things he has done in game. main example was against england u21's a while ago, He totally ran the show that night. not played alot for 2 years, but looks to have a good touch, plenty of skill and pace, end product can be coached along so could be a very good player for us and is a much need right winger as barton is not a winger. could see him playing wide of a front 3 when he plays and could do very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 This club's a graveyard for potential. We'll ruin any chance of him developing. what a lot of sh**te - which young players have come in the last 3 or 4 years and failed massively to live up to their potential? You could just as easily say the same thing of Man Utd who have brought in a number of young prospects who have failed to make the grade recently. It hink our youth development is currently one of the few areas for optimism at the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 This club's a graveyard for potential. We'll ruin any chance of him developing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Given, Hughes, Milner, Bassong, N'Zogbia and Carroll to name a few have left the club far better players than when they signed/broke in to the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Bellamy too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Always try to judge signings from both sides of things. Had Sunderland signed him I'd be ripping the shit out of them. Can't pretend otherwise, he's looked a poor player. Obviously I hope he improves and does well but i'll not hold my breath. We'll see. Got to agree with that but the difference is that we're not jumping around like we've picked up a world beater, and many on here are cautious as we've a) not been impressed having seen him play and b) learned the lesson of not buying Sir Alex's cast-offs having been bitten on the arse in the past. Have to pray that, if we do sign him, he comes good as he'll most likely be the only right-sided winger at the club next season. Voted 'Underwhelmed'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 My opinion is that negatives have been overblown and positives swept under the carpet. I can see that this will have been an incredibly frustrating summer. Would I be raging about where this Carroll money has gone? Yes, of course I would. Would I be pissed off about what's going on with Barton, Enrique, Nolan etc? Of course. Has it been a Summer From Hell? Well, I'm not fully qualified to say but from what I've seen, no. I really think people have swept the signings of Marveaux, Ba, Ben Arfa and Cabaye under the carpet somewhat. You have Gosling coming back who barely played last year (if at all?) and it looks like he's beefed the fuck up, so he could really develop this year. Now you look like signing someone who yes, hasn't hit it off at Man Utd, but also hasn't been given that much of a chance. After a troublesome few days, news comes that you're signing someone who could bolster your midfield and offer some pace on the wing and who knows, with some faith placed in him, could start to really establish himself in this league. Instead, it's "he's shit". That is what I find bamboozling. Before someone says this, no, I'm not sticking up for Ashley. I am however sticking up for some of the very good business you've done so far this summer which has escaped the limelight due to the Enrique/Barton etc shenanigans. Potentially disruptive? I would certainly imagine so. Fucking shit? I don't agree. Nice to read some unbiased opinion. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Looks like he has good feet and some silky skills! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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