Mike Ashley

[loki679]

Yeah, I agree it's tenuous but as SD and NUFC are separate entities the argument could be made that there is collusion between the two parties to engender an unfair advantage in the market place.

 

has ashley left anyone around in the sports merchandise sector to be able to complain?

 

he's just about decimated the lot hasn't he?

 

Since he took over NUFC he has.  The free advertising and brand exposure obviously did nothing for them though.

[loki679]

 

 

The meeting with the Malaysians went well but they wanted 6 weeks to do due diligence. The offer from the other party at Freshfields waived that right and was a better deal. I was told that the man behind the deal was Mike Ashley and I sat with his representatives over 3 days thrashing out a deal. I was keen to know why they wanted the club and they were quite honest. They wanted to market their sports goods in the Far East and would use the Club to help do this.

 

 

He bought the club as an advertising vehicle.  Whether or not you disputed SJH's words at the time I think it's clear now what his intentions were and are.

[mrmojorisin75]

well, that's what he told SJH - i think there's more to the rumour he was buying to flip it and that fell through, if not why did it take so long for the advertising thing to become so prominent?  it's not like he gives a fuck what anyone thinks

[loki679]

well, that's what he told SJH - i think there's more to the rumour he was buying to flip it and that fell through, if not why did it take so long for the advertising thing to become so prominent?  it's not like he gives a fuck what anyone thinks

 

Possible the club had contracts that needed to be honoured.  I don't know.  Track the decline in advertising revenue over his tenure.

[Stu]

I think more awareness could do with being raised about this advertising mularky, I'll ring in Total Sport about it this week, if I can.

 

It is a 'scam' - no doubt about it. Unforunately Newcastle is now just a part of Sports Direct, with the club receiving no benefit from that 'partnership'.

 

 

What do B365 pay for their shirt and stadium advertising at Stoke?

[Lotus]

Thanks for pointing that out. I am now shaking with rage.

 

What a pointless little bitch you seem most of the time.

[BlueStar]

I think more awareness could do with being raised about this advertising mularky, I'll ring in Total Sport about it this week, if I can.

 

It is a 'scam' - no doubt about it. Unforunately Newcastle is now just a part of Sports Direct, with the club receiving no benefit from that 'partnership'.

 

 

What do B365 pay for their shirt and stadium advertising at Stoke?

 

A "substantial seven-figure deal", but no specific numbers released as far as I can see.

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-bet365-shirts-Stoke-City/story-16022167-detail/story.html#axzz2gI5aIRa7

 

"We received a number of offers from potential sponsors, but bet365 were the highest bidders."

 

Funny, I was expecting "No-one was really interested, if they hadn't come along we'd just have left everything blank"

 

 

[Stu]

Seems we're not the only ones being used by the owner to further the family business.

[Mick]

Seems we're not the only ones being used by the owner to further the family business.

 

[BlueStar]

Seems we're not the only ones being used by the owner to further the family business.

 

I thought it was pretty obvious that the issue people have is that Sports Direct were getting free adverts which was cutting off income from paying advertisers.  Thus the multi-million pound deal Bet365 have made with Stoke to put adverts on their kits and stadium isn't a very good comparison. 

 

For debating purposes it's usually better to know the answer to rhetorical questions before you ask them to make sure it's your side of the argument they support.

[Guest neesy111]

Seems we're not the only ones being used by the owner to further the family business.

 

Piss off.

[Stu]

Seems we're not the only ones being used by the owner to further the family business.

 

I thought it was pretty obvious that the issue people have is that Sports Direct were getting free adverts which was cutting off income from paying advertisers.  Thus the multi-million pound deal Bet365 have made with Stoke to put adverts on their kits and stadium isn't a very good comparison. 

 

For debating purposes it's usually better to know the answer to rhetorical questions before you ask them to make sure it's your side of the argument they support.

 

 

 

 

 

You've been waiting for that aaaaall morning

[loki679]

Seems we're not the only ones being used by the owner to further the family business.

 

I thought it was pretty obvious that the issue people have is that Sports Direct were getting free adverts which was cutting off income from paying advertisers.  Thus the multi-million pound deal Bet365 have made with Stoke to put adverts on their kits and stadium isn't a very good comparison. 

 

For debating purposes it's usually better to know the answer to rhetorical questions before you ask them to make sure it's your side of the argument they support.

 

 

 

 

 

You've been waiting for that aaaaall morning

 

Stoke get paid, we don't.

 

You fucking moron.

[Guest bimpy474]

Seems we're not the only ones being used by the owner to further the family business.

 

I thought it was pretty obvious that the issue people have is that Sports Direct were getting free adverts which was cutting off income from paying advertisers.  Thus the multi-million pound deal Bet365 have made with Stoke to put adverts on their kits and stadium isn't a very good comparison. 

 

For debating purposes it's usually better to know the answer to rhetorical questions before you ask them to make sure it's your side of the argument they support.

 

 

 

 

 

You've been waiting for that aaaaall morning

 

Stoke get paid, we don't.

 

You fucking moron.

 

[Stu]

Christ, we've not even lost yet

 

Are you confirming that Stoke are receiving market rate for the B365 sponsorship deal?

 

EDIT: Just seen the Micaehl Knees impersonators on the last page truly amazing

[BlueStar]

Are you confirming that Stoke are receiving market rate for the B365 sponsorship deal?

 

They're receiving a seven figure sum, which is more than the one figure sum we're getting from Sports Direct. 

 

Stoke say Bet365 were the highest bidder, Newcastle say Sports Direct don't have to bid and just get it all for nowt.  Without access to both clubs books that's all you or I have to go on.

[Wullie]

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/08/20/premier-league-shirt-sponsors-pour-record-166m-into-top-flight-bank-accounts-200801/

 

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Shirt-deals-13-14-PL.jpg

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Would people prefer for the emporium of tat to pay us (lets make up a figure...) £2m a year for advertising and the FMA to charge us say (again lets make up a figure) £2m interest on the loans he has so kindly provided us? (That's roughly 2% on £120m of loans so a pretty good deal for the paying party)

 

That is the alternative - I've no doubts that the fat man wins by not charging for either somehow with the tax bods but that fact doesn't impact us as fans.

 

And before the 'but its his fault he has had to put the loans in' replies come in - the same could be said of all owner cash injections, and the vast majority of owners will charge interest back on them.

 

[Dokko]

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/08/20/premier-league-shirt-sponsors-pour-record-166m-into-top-flight-bank-accounts-200801/

 

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Shirt-deals-13-14-PL.jpg

 

Ive already proven this to be inaccurate.

[Wullie]

Would people prefer for the emporium of tat to pay us (lets make up a figure...) £2m a year for advertising and the FMA to charge us say (again lets make up a figure) £2m interest on the loans he has so kindly provided us? (That's roughly 2% on £120m of loans so a pretty good deal for the paying party)

 

That is the alternative - I've no doubts that the fat man wins by not charging for either somehow with the tax bods but that fact doesn't impact us as fans.

 

And before the 'but its his fault he has had to put the loans in' replies come in - the same could be said of all owner cash injections, and the vast majority of owners will charge interest back on them.

 

Find that very hard to believe, seems to me that most owners don't generally demand back any money they put in.

[Stu]

Would people prefer for the emporium of tat to pay us (lets make up a figure...) £2m a year for advertising and the FMA to charge us say (again lets make up a figure) £2m interest on the loans he has so kindly provided us? (That's roughly 2% on £120m of loans so a pretty good deal for the paying party)

 

That is the alternative - I've no doubts that the fat man wins by not charging for either somehow with the tax bods but that fact doesn't impact us as fans.

 

And before the 'but its his fault he has had to put the loans in' replies come in - the same could be said of all owner cash injections, and the vast majority of owners will charge interest back on them.

 

Find that very hard to believe, seems to me that most owners don't generally demand back any money they put in.

 

Going back to the Stoke comparison - they've signed over the deeds for the training ground and the Britannia Stadium (obviously not applicable for SJP) to B365 in return for the £60m of losses that they've incurred in recent seasons.

 

Hoping this doesn't give MA ideas.

[BottledDog]

Would people prefer for the emporium of tat to pay us (lets make up a figure...) £2m a year for advertising and the FMA to charge us say (again lets make up a figure) £2m interest on the loans he has so kindly provided us? (That's roughly 2% on £120m of loans so a pretty good deal for the paying party)

 

That is the alternative - I've no doubts that the fat man wins by not charging for either somehow with the tax bods but that fact doesn't impact us as fans.

 

And before the 'but its his fault he has had to put the loans in' replies come in - the same could be said of all owner cash injections, and the vast majority of owners will charge interest back on them.

 

Find that very hard to believe, seems to me that most owners don't generally demand back any money they put in.

 

 

I'm sure most don't see ownership as a charitable money pit any more, especially foreign investor. One way or another they need to get it back, even the Emirates bods must be seeing some value in the increased profile they've gained.

 

To protect themselves, most owners I'd have thought tend not to use their own money to fund loans, but if they do directly (or through a parent company) then they tend to charge interest unless the club can't afford it (in the case of Bolton, they were charging 10% a while back, more than the interest rate from the banks I'd have thought).

 

For instance, on loaning Villa £49.5m Lerner charged £4.1m per year interest. After the loans increased to £120m+ he had to waive £20m worth of interest payments because the club simply couldn't afford it.

 

Ashley takes neither interest, or a salary, but allows one of his companies free advertising. Doesn't seem a particularly diabolical move by him, though the excuses that nobody else might pay a few quid for the spots seems feeble in the extreme.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

There is no scam with the SD advertising, its his club, he can literally do owt he likes within legal means and adverting SD even for nowt, is not illegal.

[BlueStar]

There is no scam with the SD advertising, its his club, he can literally do owt he likes within legal means and adverting SD even for nowt, is not illegal.

 

A scam doesn't have to be illegal, just dishonest.  The claim that the alternative to having 75% of the advertising at the ground taken up with Sports Direct freebies is blank hoardings rather than paying advertisers is where the dishonesty comes in.

[Guest neesy111]

Christ, we've not even lost yet

 

Are you confirming that Stoke are receiving market rate for the B365 sponsorship deal?

 

EDIT: Just seen the Micaehl Knees impersonators on the last page truly amazing

 

Truly amazing how much of an arsehole you remain and will always remain, stuart.