Guest antz1uk Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 it's just a shame they're all using it to stick up for pardew, fucking press as usual putting their own spin on things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I think the Guardian article is pretty fair as an assessment of his time here, they're basically saying he was a yes-man who will not go down in history as anyone important. I love this bit: Pardew himself leaves Newcastle with a profile reconditioned: a slightly wonky appointment four years ago, he has now been elevated to a spot among the elite mid-rangers of the Premier League, an angrier Bruce, a less convincing Allardyce, a River Island Tony Pulis. Meanwhile Mike Ashley has reinforced his well-earned reputation for expertise in flogging off sporting goods you’re not sure you really want at a phoney knock-down price. Box fresh Pardew: recommended retail price £6m. Yours not for £4m, or £3m, but – and I’m robbing myself here – just two million pounds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 In most lines of business, if you invest capital into an asset - it increases your basis, should you find success with this asset (post investment) your cash flow / marketability increases, to which sell-on value increases when applying some sort of revenue multiplier, ebitda mulitple, or cap rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 There are actually some decent European managers available for bugger all right now. We just need to find one with no spine, no balls and no ambition who's prepared to work for a pittance and we're good to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 this is where we really find out if theres anything in this long term plan stuff or if he really is just taking the p*ss out of the fans. Im going with the latter. Absolutely, cards on the table time. I'm continually baffled by posts like this, in 2014. He appointed Alan Pardew 4 years ago, man. The cards have been on the table for so long they're covered in tea stains. Totally agree, it's like groundhog day every time he has a new decision to make. He is so thin skinned. Any criticism he takes clearly hurts him so much that he feels the need to use his power to make people's lives a misery. People went at him because he made some insanely stupid decisions that ruined the club in some respects, the appointment of Pardew and everything since has just been a big fuck you. His only long-term plan goes alongs the lines of, 'fuck them, their club can rot and make me money while we're at it'. Most normal people would have taken it on the chin, sold the club and moved on. He's obviously a petty, hateful man. The very act of appointing Pardew told everyone (who was paying attention) exactly what his intentions for the club were. Every day he didn't sack him since Reading beating us at home 2-1 has been further proof. This is not 'the time' that we get to find out 'his plan'. We know it very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Pardew leaving, recently aiming to increase his stake in Rangers to almost 30%, maybe we're finally seeing the endgame for Ashley at the club? (Fingers crossed) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 this is where we really find out if theres anything in this long term plan stuff or if he really is just taking the p*ss out of the fans. Im going with the latter. Absolutely, cards on the table time. I'm continually baffled by posts like this, in 2014. He appointed Alan Pardew 4 years ago, man. The cards have been on the table for so long they're covered in tea stains. Totally agree, it's like groundhog day every time he has a new decision to make. He is so thin skinned. Any criticism he takes clearly hurts him so much that he feels the need to use his power to make people's lives a misery. People went at him because he made some insanely stupid decisions that ruined the club in some respects, the appointment of Pardew and everything since has just been a big f*** you. His only long-term plan goes alongs the lines of, 'f*** them, their club can rot and make me money while we're at it'. Most normal people would have taken it on the chin, sold the club and moved on. He's obviously a petty, hateful man. The very act of appointing Pardew told everyone (who was paying attention) exactly what his intentions for the club were. Every day he didn't sack him since Reading beating us at home 2-1 has been further proof. This is not 'the time' that we get to find out 'his plan'. We know it very well. I said cards on table time now as Ashley is in with Rangers and he has an opportunity with us to show intent. I have no doubt what Ashley is all about but he still has his supporters; hopefully his next move will remove any doubt. He's largely got away with it up to now; his next appointment may well turn attention to him in a more sustained and organised way, especially within the press where there are odd pockets of dissent against him. By and large the common view is that Ashley is a bit of a strange one but on the whole he's good for us. This needs to stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Rangers are knackered they sold their best player to Brentford yesterday and the Scottish fa have basically stopped Ashley from helping them, his next appointment at Newcastle will show us where he stands. if he chooses carver he will definitely sell us anyone else and rangers could be in serious trouble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The thing is it is often mentioned how Ashley bought us for fun and as soon as the fans starting having a go at him he decided to stop that as he didn't like being called nasty names. In general football fans are fickle as fuck, so if he actually spent a bit of cash and brought in a manager for as mentioned footballing reasons a lot of our fan-base wouldn't give a fuck about the tacky advertisements around the stadium and all of the rest of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The thing is it is often mentioned how Ashley bought us for fun and as soon as the fans starting having a go at him he decided to stop that as he didn't like being called nasty names. In general football fans are fickle as fuck, so if he actually spent a bit of cash and brought in a manager for as mentioned footballing reasons a lot of our fan-base wouldn't give a fuck about the tacky advertisements around the stadium and all of the rest of it. It's sad really because it wouldn't take that much for him to win the fans round, tweaking his existing policies so that they all work properly. He started doing it in 2011/12 but he continually ruins it by doing stupid things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The thing is it is often mentioned how Ashley bought us for fun and as soon as the fans starting having a go at him he decided to stop that as he didn't like being called nasty names. In general football fans are fickle as f***, so if he actually spent a bit of cash and brought in a manager for as mentioned footballing reasons a lot of our fan-base wouldn't give a f*** about the tacky advertisements around the stadium and all of the rest of it. It's sad really because it wouldn't take that much for him to win the fans round, tweaking his existing policies so that they all work properly. He started doing it in 2011/12 but he continually ruins it by doing stupid things. If we stop touting our players around as soon as they look half decent, he gets rid of some of the SD.com shite and invests at least the TV money Id wager most people would leave him alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The thing is it is often mentioned how Ashley bought us for fun and as soon as the fans starting having a go at him he decided to stop that as he didn't like being called nasty names. In general football fans are fickle as f***, so if he actually spent a bit of cash and brought in a manager for as mentioned footballing reasons a lot of our fan-base wouldn't give a f*** about the tacky advertisements around the stadium and all of the rest of it. It's sad really because it wouldn't take that much for him to win the fans round, tweaking his existing policies so that they all work properly. He started doing it in 2011/12 but he continually ruins it by doing stupid things. If we stop touting our players around as soon as they look half decent, he gets rid of some of the SD.com s**** and invests at least the TV money Id wager most people would leave him alone. The touting of players around is so irritating as it is so needless. If they get a good enough offer or if the player wants a move, they will sell. There was no need for Pardew to constantly remind everyone in every interview who they were "afraid" of losing if a club offered a minumum of £x. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Also we should be waiting until they are at maximum value before selling yet we prefer to sell as soon as any old bid comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The scouting set up clearly works well and i don't think many of us have a problem with it. Selling players at a huge profit isn't really a problem either unless we fail to replace them in the next transfer window ala Cabaye. I also think most would accept the SD advertising if he would just install a decent manager and coaching setup, and left them to it ie. Try to qualify for Europe, try to win the cups etc. We're not a million miles away from having a setup that almost everyone would buy into but he won't make that extra step. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Also we should be waiting until they are at maximum value before selling yet we prefer to sell as soon as any old bid comes in. Exactly which is why we should get Perez on a long-term contract and look to hold on to him for a couple more years. They may get a nice little profit on him in the next year but if he continues to progress at his current rate, they could get a huge profit in 2-3 years. Similarly with Aarons although it is too early to know what his likely potential will be and if he is injury prone. There should be no rush to sell every player as soon as they show some promise as they could be far more valuable in a few years. (I hate always talking about players in this way and not being able to dream of them leading us to glory in the future). We obviously sold Carroll at his optimum value and did well on Debuchy but I think Cabaye went for less than he should. My understanding was that Cabaye was sold by Kinnear for less than the reported fee which was still less than Ashley wanted and was a key reason for him being sacked. Pardew failed at improving the players enough and those that did/have improved have been those of certain type of character like Cabaye and seemingly Perez where their self-determination and ambition fuels their improvement. (Carroll's improvement came under Hughton). Those players that need more guidance seem to hit a wall under Pardew. How long before starts referencing our young players as proof at how good he is at developing youth as he constantly did with the West Ham players! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Rumours that Laxey Partners, who are the biggest stakeholders in Rangers, have sold all their shares (about 16%) to 'mystery investors' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Rumours that Laxey Partners, who are the biggest stakeholders in Rangers, have sold all their shares (about 16%) to 'mystery investors' Probably Ashley Michaels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Rumours that Laxey Partners, who are the biggest stakeholders in Rangers, have sold all their shares (about 16%) to 'mystery investors' Mr Ekim Yelhsa http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140416021517/simpsons/images/5/5e/Snrub.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Rumours that Laxey Partners, who are the biggest stakeholders in Rangers, have sold all their shares (about 16%) to 'mystery investors' Mr Ekim Yelhsa http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140416021517/simpsons/images/5/5e/Snrub.jpg http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121208175702/uncyclopedia/images/f/f9/Otm_Shank.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 losing his power grip at Rangers, love the name they've given themselves http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/11319782/Rangers-power-struggle-takes-new-twist-after-Mike-Ashley-loses-key-ally-in-his-quest-for-Ibrox-boardroom-coup.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Empires get built and they all collapse, same will happen with Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 If only there was the option to sell us and then buy them outright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 The thing is it is often mentioned how Ashley bought us for fun and as soon as the fans starting having a go at him he decided to stop that as he didn't like being called nasty names. In general football fans are fickle as f***, so if he actually spent a bit of cash and brought in a manager for as mentioned footballing reasons a lot of our fan-base wouldn't give a f*** about the tacky advertisements around the stadium and all of the rest of it. It's sad really because it wouldn't take that much for him to win the fans round, tweaking his existing policies so that they all work properly. He started doing it in 2011/12 but he continually ruins it by doing stupid things. If we stop touting our players around as soon as they look half decent, he gets rid of some of the SD.com s**** and invests at least the TV money Id wager most people would leave him alone. Where is all the TV money going? Is it clearing the ' loan' he gave to the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Thing is, if we make a step up and are finishing in and around sixth or seventh every year, we'd start wanting Ashley to invest even more and push for Champions League. Expectations are a dangerous thing from his perspective. He wants to keep us in a safely mediocre space where progress looks hopeless so nobody will ever push him to spend more of the club's money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Good to see someone standing up to him: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-boardroom-battle-laxey-boss-4901543? Will be interesting to see if he has the stomach for a prolonged fight now he's not getting things all his own way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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