Disco Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What does it matter what other clubs do? The only relevance it should have is that everyone else is not taking it seriously it should make it even easier for us not to do utterly shite every fucking year. The categorical last thing it should mean is that we should rank and file join in regardless of how well/shit we're doing. Wouldn't mind seeing us in a final or winnin something, I hear it's canny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What does it matter what other clubs do? The only relevance it should have is that everyone else is not taking it seriously it should make it even easier for us not to do utterly shite every fucking year. The categorical last thing it should mean is that we should rank and file join in regardless of how well/shit we're doing. Wouldn't mind seeing us in a final or winnin something, I hear it's canny. Because that is used to defend our shambles of a club under a shambles of a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't think anyone was defending it though were they Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I think outright stating that every club treats the cups the same way we do is defending it like. Clearly every club doesn't mind, hence how they all do better than us in the fuckers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't think anyone was defending it though were they Righto.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 1. Saying explicitly that it's really shit when clubs rest players in clubs is certainly not defending it, and both me and Ian have done that in the last page or so. 2. Other clubs really, really do have that exact same approach. If we've done worse in the cups then it's some combination of luck, a wank second string, over-reliance on one or two first teamers and god knows what else, because if you look at all the cup matches that don't involve NUFC, you'll see team after team after team resting their first teamers to concentrate on the league. It's not even up for debate because it happens all the time, right in front of your face, every single round of both domestic cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 We have a similar approach to cups as other sides, we just happen to do worse. Unlucky for Gosling hes not turned into Ronaldo also like, because cause & effect doesnt exist. Then Pardew/Ashley might deserve some blame beyond openly stating what apparently loads of other clubs do anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm not wasting any more time persuading people that a thing that is blatantly very widespread in English football really happens. You can go and look at the BBC website or something and see it for yourself in about 5 minutes. Or you can choose to believe that we're the only club doing it, or even that not many clubs do, and willfully be an utter fucking moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 No one has said it doesnt happen man, no idea why you think that is the point of contention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 You seem to have just made up the contents of the last few pages for some reason trollemache Fair play like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What have we been disagreeing about for the last hour then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Anyway I'm not wasting my time anymore trying to persuade someone that we're rubbish in the cups. Goodbye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What have we been disagreeing about for the last hour then? Do you honestly believe that the opposing view in this entire debate has been about other sides not resting players in the cups? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What have we been disagreeing about for the last hour then? Do you honestly believe that the opposing view in this entire debate has been about other sides not resting players in the cups? I don't know, I was saying our priorities are the same as others' and a lot of people seemed to take exception to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Because they read it as, "It is completely ok for us not to care about the cups" or, "Pardew and Ashley are not utter, evil scum" or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Evil. I'll stick with cuntish, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Because they read it as, "It is completely ok for us not to care about the cups" or, "Pardew and Ashley are not utter, evil scum" or something Essentially. I made a post stating Pards/Ashleys views werent valid, Ian replied stating many clubs think similarly. It comes across as a defence of them. The problem being when Wullie posted evidence showing we do far worse in cups, so they do deserve blame its not just a "football problem". Ian just repeated our approach is the same & he didnt understand our poorer results. Last few pages has just been people stating its not a coincidence, they are failing somewhere (Kaspers post was best) & you guys repeating other teams drop players continually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ian, you essentially said that we're happy to just muddle through the opening stages of the cups if possible and then take them seriously when the final is in sight, and that many clubs are the same. Fuck knows what trollmache is going on about like. I think it's pretty clear that, even though most clubs will rest (or rotate) players when playing inferior opposition, few go in with the clear ambivalence that we do. We dropped Remy and Cabaye against Man City at home for god's sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Because they read it as, "It is completely ok for us not to care about the cups" or, "Pardew and Ashley are not utter, evil scum" or something Essentially. I made a post stating Pards/Ashleys views werent valid, Ian replied stating many clubs think similarly. It comes across as a defence of them. The problem being when Wullie posted evidence showing we do far worse in cups, so they do deserve blame its not just a "football problem". Ian just repeated our approach is the same & he didnt understand our poorer results. Last few pages has just been people stating its not a coincidence, they are failing somewhere (Kaspers post was best) & you guys repeating other teams drop players continually. If we drop players to about the same extent as other clubs in the cups, then how else do you think our supposed inferior approach is manifesting itself? Are we suggesting that the second-string players we select aren't trying as hard as the second-string players of other clubs? That we're somehow not asking them to? I'm intrigued as to how people think you make measurably less effort in the cups, other than by resting players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 If we drop players to about the same extent as other clubs in the cups, then how else do you think our supposed inferior approach is manifesting itself? Are we suggesting that the second-string players we select aren't trying as hard as the second-string players of other clubs? That we're somehow not asking them to? I'm intrigued as to how people think you make measurably less effort in the cups, other than by resting players. The most important measurable result that points to less effort in the cups is the one that counts, the actual result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm asking you specifically how you think that result happened. If we rested players to about the same extent as other clubs (which we did) then what is it that we did differently to bring it about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm asking you specifically how you think that result happened. If we rested players to about the same extent as other clubs (which we did) then what is it that we did differently to bring it about? We don't give a shit about the cups and the players know that, that's reflected in the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 That applies to the other clubs who rest their players too though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Anyway, whatever it is, it's shit and so is resting players. Just imagine - if we actually played a full strength XI in every round, the chances of us coming up against another full-strength side more than once or twice before the final would actually be pretty slim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I would say more of the blame lies with Pardew in the last few years, despite decent FA Cup draws we have been repeatedly beaten because we are sent out with tactics not to lose. It doesn't matter so much the players picked, if you send a team out against a lower league team with that attitude, a lower league team will sense it and smell blood. And that's why Pardew gets so much grief, there's not a reason in the world for the manager of a Premiership team to try to get his team to 70 minutes and then try to nick something against inferior teams, we've seen it over and over again against crap teams in the Premiership so it's nothing new from him. Straight away the team itself are already playing defensive, their mindset is completely wrong from the off. Now that's Pardew, added to the fact the regime at this club aren't interested in the cups, it gives him all the excuses if his defensive shit doesn't work. Hence so many excuse from him, utter coward of a manager scared of weaker teams, he's pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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