Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Twice more as it turns out, while people harangue him, attacking points he's not making. Solid fare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Wonder how many other clubs go on record citing basket case clubs like Portsmouth, Wigan and Birmingham winning cups are a reason not to try too hard in cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I wasn't giving reasons for our defeats, I was saying out priorities are similar to many clubs. This is the point I've read up to so far. Got a private bet with myself that he'll have to repeat this or a variation of this at least one more before the end But it means absolutely nothing at all Our priorities are the same as other clubs? How is that measured? Have yous had a dodge around all of the grounds in the league asking the management staff to rate how they would priorities the FA Cup and League cup in a scale of 10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Twice more as it turns out, while people harangue him, attacking points he's not making. Solid fare http://i.imgur.com/PNG3tPB.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 If anyone's still confused btw, I think what he was trying to get across was that a lot of clubs put more effort into the league than the cups, and that the Europa League is quite often seen as a bit of a cumbersome distraction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ahhhh now it makes perfect sense, cheers. I've changed my mind then, we're exactly the same as every other club, I just hope we get a good roll of the dice next year and muddle our way to Wembo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I wasn't giving reasons for our defeats, I was saying out priorities are similar to many clubs. This is the point I've read up to so far. Got a private bet with myself that he'll have to repeat this or a variation of this at least one more before the end But it means absolutely nothing at all Our priorities are the same as other clubs? How is that measured? Have yous had a dodge around all of the grounds in the league asking the management staff to rate how they would priorities the FA Cup and League cup in a scale of 10? It's really easy to measure: look at all the clubs who rest first team players in the early rounds of the cups, and, to be honest, in the later rounds too. They're all at it. I know this especially well because I never hear the bloody end of it - a friend of mine is a professional football gambler who makes it his business to monitor all the team news in every round, and it drives him nuts how many teams who have basically nothing else in life to play for opt to slightly increase their chances of 3 points at the weekend rather than try in a competition that could very realistically bring them a genuine chance of excitement or even a trophy, so he constantly complains about it. It's insane. Recent examples include Southampton who, like us, have been in a bit of a nothing battle for 8th recently, but rested players against Sunderland and promptly lost. It is absolutely impossible to deny that lots and lots of clubs don't really take the cups seriously and if you try then you are categorically completely wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 That's too long to type every page, got to streamline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'd have no problem with us resting players if we were making sensible changes. Not benching the only 2 players in the side who can score goals, or sticking our League 1 keeper in goal. That's fucking moronic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Other clubs can rest players and still win a football match. That's because Alan Pardew isn't their manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Other clubs can rest players and still win a football match. That's because Alan Pardew isn't their manager. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 There's no doubt about it - it's incredibly stupid. Even more stupid because, if you can bank on almost all of your rivals doing it, then by fielding a strong side you've got even more of a chance of getting to the semis or final. Doing it versus Cardiff at home made me so fucking angry. Other clubs rest players and lose football matches too, Wullie. About the same amount that win them, you'll find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (Obviously) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 trollemache, what are you after exactly? Are you wanting us to be happy with our club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 In what way does pointing out that we're hardly unique in our approach to cups give you that idea? Especially as I was actually condemning it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Other clubs rest players and lose football matches too, Wullie. About the same amount that win them, you'll find. Must be why so few of them get further in the cup than we do. Apart from all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Other clubs rest players and lose football matches too, Wullie. About the same amount that win them, you'll find. Must be why so few of them get further in the cup than we do. Apart from all of them. Funnily enough they aren't managed by Alan 'The Nut' Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What does it matter what other clubs do? The only relevance it should have is that everyone else is not taking it seriously it should make it even easier for us not to do utterly shite every fucking year. The categorical last thing it should mean is that we should rank and file join in regardless of how well/shit we're doing. Wouldn't mind seeing us in a final or winnin something, I hear it's canny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What does it matter what other clubs do? The only relevance it should have is that everyone else is not taking it seriously it should make it even easier for us not to do utterly shite every fucking year. The categorical last thing it should mean is that we should rank and file join in regardless of how well/shit we're doing. Wouldn't mind seeing us in a final or winnin something, I hear it's canny. Because that is used to defend our shambles of a club under a shambles of a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't think anyone was defending it though were they Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I think outright stating that every club treats the cups the same way we do is defending it like. Clearly every club doesn't mind, hence how they all do better than us in the fuckers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't think anyone was defending it though were they Righto.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 1. Saying explicitly that it's really shit when clubs rest players in clubs is certainly not defending it, and both me and Ian have done that in the last page or so. 2. Other clubs really, really do have that exact same approach. If we've done worse in the cups then it's some combination of luck, a wank second string, over-reliance on one or two first teamers and god knows what else, because if you look at all the cup matches that don't involve NUFC, you'll see team after team after team resting their first teamers to concentrate on the league. It's not even up for debate because it happens all the time, right in front of your face, every single round of both domestic cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 We have a similar approach to cups as other sides, we just happen to do worse. Unlucky for Gosling hes not turned into Ronaldo also like, because cause & effect doesnt exist. Then Pardew/Ashley might deserve some blame beyond openly stating what apparently loads of other clubs do anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm not wasting any more time persuading people that a thing that is blatantly very widespread in English football really happens. You can go and look at the BBC website or something and see it for yourself in about 5 minutes. Or you can choose to believe that we're the only club doing it, or even that not many clubs do, and willfully be an utter fucking moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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