Heron Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/mike-ashley-restructured-newcastle-united/ Some of the comments... Fuck. Me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/mike-ashley-restructured-newcastle-united/ Some of the comments... Fuck. Me. Don't be so harsh on yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/mike-ashley-restructured-newcastle-united/ Some of the comments... f***. Me. Don't be so harsh on yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Modern day dictator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I had this discussion with a cov fan recently. 'What have you got to moan about?' Your stable in the top flight' it's all well and good talking about 80 odd other teams opinions when they are striving to get into the divisions but we are in the elite one and have been for some time and no one is asking to the win the thing either. Their opinion is irrelevant. The only club who operate in a similar vein to us are villa who have exactly the same quibbles big club with a large fan base whose hierarchy are happy to tread water; and rightly so. What their reasoning is I don't know but ours is patently to put done crass brand the primary interest over anything else and as far as I can see, no other club in the land is doing that, nor operating the same head coach or transfer policies we do simultaneously. So how can they have an informed opinion? There's a massive difference between the two clubs - ambition. Coventry may not be in the Premier League but they have a goal to get there and they will do everything in their power to achieve it. It's the same goal as all but a very small percentage of football clubs, from Sunday League upwards, and that's why supporters carry on supporting attending games week-in, week-out. We have no goal other than to exist and therefore, we as supporters of NUFC are being royally fucked over. We have the financial means, the supporter base, the stadium and the global pull to be a major force in the Premier League but that's not what the board are interested in. Coventry fans can complain about us moaning despite being in the Premier League but the truth is that they, as supporters, are in a much better place than we are. Well they're not like but I agree with rest of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 What will Coventry do when they get in the PL though? It's easy to have ambition when there's a massive prize just within reach. (Doesn't excuse us not trying, but what I mean is that their ambition is achievable at reasonable cost, has a clear purpose and a massive financial reward) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Aye, but the thing is they're in a much more precarious position to be able to spend said amounts in terms of a business. What £5million might be to them is probably the financial equivalent to £50million for Ashley, one would assume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Aye, but the thing is they're in a much more precarious position to be able to spend said amounts in terms of a business. What £5million might be to them is probably the financial equivalent to £50million for Ashley, one would assume. Swansea, Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Hull, Palace, QPR all came up recently-ish and they have all shown more ambition than us. Once you come up and consolidate your PL status you then aim to kick on. That's what they have all done with varying degrees of success but at least they have all showed a willingness to improve and aim high. Given how successful our scouting network is, it would take relatively little money (nowhere near £50m) and a decent managerial appointment to have us battling with Spurs, Southampton etc for European places and domestic cups on a regular basis. To actively avoid doing either out of some ill-founded logic that it would increase our chances of relegation is football sacrilege and the complete opposite of what a sporting establishment exists for. If Coventry came up they would show more ambition than us because all that entails is aiming to be the best they can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Aye, but the thing is they're in a much more precarious position to be able to spend said amounts in terms of a business. What £5million might be to them is probably the financial equivalent to £50million for Ashley, one would assume. Swansea, Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Hull, Palace, QPR all came up recently-ish and they have all shown more ambition than us. Once you come up and consolidate your PL status you then aim to kick on. That's what they have all done with varying degrees of success but at least they have all showed a willingness to improve and aim high. Given how successful our scouting network is, it would take relatively little money (nowhere near £50m) and a decent managerial appointment to have us battling with Spurs, Southampton etc for European places and domestic cups on a regular basis. To actively avoid doing either out of some ill-founded logic that it would increase our chances of relegation is football sacrilege and the complete opposite of what a sporting establishment exists for. If Coventry came up they would show more ambition than us because all that entails is aiming to be the best they can be. Totally agree to be fair. I was just trying to point out the financial capabilities of those two clubs to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/mike-ashley-restructured-newcastle-united/ Some of the comments... f***. Me. Genuinely staggering that. If anyone ever doubts that the regime have a presence in social media, I'd point them in the direction of that. Even a mackem wouldn't bother with defending Ashley that passionately. The line about 'regularly getting to cup quarter-finals.' Like you said- fuck me man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Aye, but the thing is they're in a much more precarious position to be able to spend said amounts in terms of a business. What £5million might be to them is probably the financial equivalent to £50million for Ashley, one would assume. Swansea, Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Hull, Palace, QPR all came up recently-ish and they have all shown more ambition than us. Once you come up and consolidate your PL status you then aim to kick on. That's what they have all done with varying degrees of success but at least they have all showed a willingness to improve and aim high. Given how successful our scouting network is, it would take relatively little money (nowhere near £50m) and a decent managerial appointment to have us battling with Spurs, Southampton etc for European places and domestic cups on a regular basis. To actively avoid doing either out of some ill-founded logic that it would increase our chances of relegation is football sacrilege and the complete opposite of what a sporting establishment exists for. If Coventry came up they would show more ambition than us because all that entails is aiming to be the best they can be. The money is in the CL. That's too much risk and effort. Secondly, the money is in staying in the PL. For a club like us, that's fairly low risk. There's not much financial gain versus risk in battling between 5-13, that's the killer. Shooting for 17th is risky obviously. But the investment gap between consistently finishing 6th vs. 11th is huge. Spurs make it work with a great selling record and absolutely milking the brand and fanbase for everything. It's a lot of hard work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 If you don't care about sporting achievement, or you don't believe the jump is realistically possible, ticking along in the middle is far too attractive. That's what I mean about the fundamental structure of the game having gone wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Aye, but the thing is they're in a much more precarious position to be able to spend said amounts in terms of a business. What £5million might be to them is probably the financial equivalent to £50million for Ashley, one would assume. Swansea, Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Hull, Palace, QPR all came up recently-ish and they have all shown more ambition than us. Once you come up and consolidate your PL status you then aim to kick on. That's what they have all done with varying degrees of success but at least they have all showed a willingness to improve and aim high. Given how successful our scouting network is, it would take relatively little money (nowhere near £50m) and a decent managerial appointment to have us battling with Spurs, Southampton etc for European places and domestic cups on a regular basis. To actively avoid doing either out of some ill-founded logic that it would increase our chances of relegation is football sacrilege and the complete opposite of what a sporting establishment exists for. If Coventry came up they would show more ambition than us because all that entails is aiming to be the best they can be. The money is in the CL. That's too much risk and effort. Secondly, the money is in staying in the PL. For a club like us, that's fairly low risk. There's not much financial gain versus risk in battling between 5-13, that's the killer. Shooting for 17th is risky obviously. But the investment gap between consistently finishing 6th vs. 11th is huge. Spurs make it work with a great selling record and absolutely milking the brand and fanbase for everything. It's a lot of hard work. Our fans are just as ready to be milked. I personally spent over a grand just this year visiting Newcastle for the first time and we bought freaking 5 tickets and 3 people in our crew bought the Wonga shirts from the stadium store. We're gullible, even more so than Spurs, and we would love an iota of ambition, the club will make the money back in no time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Ashley doesn't know how to run such a model. You're talking about a premium service there. Create a compelling product then maximise revenue? Why do that when you can stack em high, sell em cheap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 No doubt the club could bring in crazy amount of revenue if we were successful and classy. But one of those is expensive and the other one isn't possible for Ashley at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 No doubt the club could bring in crazy amount of revenue if we were successful and classy. But one of those is expensive and the other one isn't possible for Ashley at all. Debatable that success and expenditure is mutually exclusive, with a good scouting network and an ambitious managerial appointment a modicum of success and sustainable pressure on the top 6 is possible with a lower outlay, shame Ashley hasn't got a fucking scooby how to do that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Guess this is in another thread by now but can't find it. http://t.co/PlhFZczsNl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Do those hats smell of sweat for added effect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 This recent? Know this happened once before and they claimed IT error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 This recent? Know this happened once before and they claimed IT error. It's in there now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/ashley-now-repeats-newcastle-press-ban-tactic-rangers/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 ‘Despite today’s ban, we will continue to write the truth. We will continue to report the ongoing crisis on and off the park without fear or favour’. Hopefully they can last longer than the Chronicle. How heroic they were when they slagged the club off for a month or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Aye, but the thing is they're in a much more precarious position to be able to spend said amounts in terms of a business. What £5million might be to them is probably the financial equivalent to £50million for Ashley, one would assume. Swansea, Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Hull, Palace, QPR all came up recently-ish and they have all shown more ambition than us. Once you come up and consolidate your PL status you then aim to kick on. That's what they have all done with varying degrees of success but at least they have all showed a willingness to improve and aim high. Given how successful our scouting network is, it would take relatively little money (nowhere near £50m) and a decent managerial appointment to have us battling with Spurs, Southampton etc for European places and domestic cups on a regular basis. To actively avoid doing either out of some ill-founded logic that it would increase our chances of relegation is football sacrilege and the complete opposite of what a sporting establishment exists for. If Coventry came up they would show more ambition than us because all that entails is aiming to be the best they can be. Totally agree with this post - we are being horrendously under-financed by a malicious and power-mad owner. The clubs mentioned have indeed tried to improve themselves and none of them have anything like the potential to be permanent top 6 that NUFC has. Ashley is a loose cannon, a law unto himself and until his luck runs out or he gets an offer he can't refuse(which looks unlikely), we are going to be the eternal second-raters, punching way below our weight as a club. There is NO excuse for Ashley...NONE. He could, if he wished, allow the club to spend 50m without blinking and we all know that with a decent manager, probably half this amount would make a huge difference to the side. As long as people are prepared to hand over their hard-earned to this guy, either by buying STs or SD merchandise, we will always be below clubs who we should be eating alive. As for Coventry, MK Dons would show more ambition than NUFC if they got into the PL - believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ‘Despite today’s ban, we will continue to write the truth. We will continue to report the ongoing crisis on and off the park without fear or favour’. Hopefully they can last longer than the Chronicle. How heroic they were when they slagged the club off for a month or so. The answer is - don't buy the Chronicle. In the Magpie Group campaign , they backed SJH even though the existing board didn't like it, but then, John Gibson(a local lad who is a fan)persuaded Graham Stanton to back the campaign...it seems that the current shower are either not locals(so couldn't really give a stuff about the club as long as they get a story)or just interested in keeping on the right side of Ashley and the paper's proprietors..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Given the new prem money deal is going to be worth almost 4.5 billion you have to worry that Ashley might stick around. Irrespective of whether the football is dross and the atmosphere is non-existant, the stands are full (especially for tv cameras) so job done really. The sack pardew campaign and banning press bollocks shows that this is someone definitely DOES give a shit what people say when it's on a large scale. But as long as the stands are full and the money keeps rolling in I just can't see anything changing for a few more years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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