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This is just the people who've actually taken out loans by the way not the people who end up being hounded for money they haven't borrowed seeing as you can just ring up with a name and address and get approved in the space of a few sentences.  Which I guess could even happen to this meeting of the finest minds of our time, not just to the sub-human scum who've lost their job and haven't got the knowhow or the lack of morals to game the benefits system or hotwire a car instead.

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Using some of the logic on this thread, is it possible for anyone to prey on the desperate and vulnerable?  Illegal loan sharks?  Dodgy door-to-door double glazers knocking on old folks doors?  Confidence tricksters? Drug dealers?  Protection rackets? Gang masters?  People traffickers? Crooked landlords?  Pimps? It's easy to say "Oh, well, they shouldn't have got involved in it", not so much when you're desperate, have mental health problems or are semi-literate.

 

It's alright they won't be able to read the repossession notices.

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These APR rates being banded about are utterly irrelevant as they don't lend money over a year, if you were to borrow 100 from them, in a weeks time you would need to pay back 110, that's equivalent of 14,000% APR, but you would never pay that interest because it is a short term loan.

 

How is the APR irrelevant?  Somebody under 25 gets £56.25 a week and would have to pay almost 20% of his/her weekly benefit in interest alone using the figures you use.

 

It's not irrelevant but it's a pretty misleading way to compare them to other lenders, because it's the representative rate as extended over a year. Which payday lenders don't do.

 

Saw an analogy elsewhere that said if you borrowed £20 from a mate and paid them it back a week later and also bought them a pint for £3.50 to say thanks, you probably wouldn't think anything of it. But calculated as an APR it would be horrendous. According to their website Wonga would charge you £7.26 for the same example, so maybe two pints.

 

 

Wonga charge £7 on a £20 loan for a week? :lol:  that is fucking ridiculous.

£7.26 to be precise

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These APR rates being banded about are utterly irrelevant as they don't lend money over a year, if you were to borrow 100 from them, in a weeks time you would need to pay back 110, that's equivalent of 14,000% APR, but you would never pay that interest because it is a short term loan.

 

How is the APR irrelevant?  Somebody under 25 gets £56.25 a week and would have to pay almost 20% of his/her weekly benefit in interest alone using the figures you use.

 

It's not irrelevant but it's a pretty misleading way to compare them to other lenders, because it's the representative rate as extended over a year. Which payday lenders don't do.

 

Saw an analogy elsewhere that said if you borrowed £20 from a mate and paid them it back a week later and also bought them a pint for £3.50 to say thanks, you probably wouldn't think anything of it. But calculated as an APR it would be horrendous. According to their website Wonga would charge you £7.26 for the same example, so maybe two pints.

 

 

Wonga charge £7 on a £20 loan for a week? :lol:  that is fucking ridiculous.

£7.26 to be precise

 

Aye, that's what I wrote. :lol:

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Using some of the logic on this thread, is it possible for anyone to prey on the desperate and vulnerable?  Illegal loan sharks?  Dodgy door-to-door double glazers knocking on old folks doors?  Confidence tricksters? Drug dealers?  Protection rackets? Gang masters?  People traffickers? Crooked landlords?  Pimps? It's easy to say "Oh, well, they shouldn't have got involved in it", not so much when you're desperate, have mental health problems or are semi-literate.

 

It's alright they won't be able to read the repossession notices.

 

Well this is kind of another point, isn't it, there are much better solutions out there such as credit unions, but the people who need them don't find out about them because credit unions can't spend £24m advertising it.  If you don't have the internet etc to do your research and you desperatley need £50 to pay someone who's threatening you with whatever, the only place you might know to go to is one of these guys.  If you're a rich chap who owes £50,000, you can probably have your accountant negotiate with the person making the threats and probably point out these threats aren't legal, you can get advice, you can get a loan at a ore reasonable rate, you still have day to day living expenses covered.  If you've got literally nowt, you'll probably end up at one of these guys, and in those 5 minutes they're not going to find out if you're just some wide-boy who can't wait to buy the new FIFA or if you have a mental age of 12, don't know what you're getting yourself into and have no idea how you'll be able to pay it back with the amount of added interest.

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The thing that fascinates me about this whole situation is people ultimately choose to take out a "payday loan". The way people are going on you'd have thought we'd signed a sponsorship deal with the Nuclear Programme for Iran. My main concern is around have we taken a cut in sponsorship funding but then I can't see any way Ashley would decide to do that.

 

However I do think that the board have decided to u-turn on Stadium Sponsorship and in order to get buy in for the new sponsors and to not look like they've u-turned they've arranged the press release for today.

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These APR rates being banded about are utterly irrelevant as they don't lend money over a year, if you were to borrow 100 from them, in a weeks time you would need to pay back 110, that's equivalent of 14,000% APR, but you would never pay that interest because it is a short term loan.

 

How is the APR irrelevant?  Somebody under 25 gets £56.25 a week and would have to pay almost 20% of his/her weekly benefit in interest alone using the figures you use.

 

It's not irrelevant but it's a pretty misleading way to compare them to other lenders, because it's the representative rate as extended over a year. Which payday lenders don't do.

 

Saw an analogy elsewhere that said if you borrowed £20 from a mate and paid them it back a week later and also bought them a pint for £3.50 to say thanks, you probably wouldn't think anything of it. But calculated as an APR it would be horrendous. According to their website Wonga would charge you £7.26 for the same example, so maybe two pints.

 

 

Wonga charge £7 on a £20 loan for a week? :lol:  that is fucking ridiculous.

£7.26 to be precise

 

Aye, that's what I wrote. :lol:

missed that because i went to check what it was for myself  :blush:

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These APR rates being banded about are utterly irrelevant as they don't lend money over a year, if you were to borrow 100 from them, in a weeks time you would need to pay back 110, that's equivalent of 14,000% APR, but you would never pay that interest because it is a short term loan.

 

How is the APR irrelevant?  Somebody under 25 gets £56.25 a week and would have to pay almost 20% of his/her weekly benefit in interest alone using the figures you use.

 

It's not irrelevant but it's a pretty misleading way to compare them to other lenders, because it's the representative rate as extended over a year. Which payday lenders don't do.

 

Saw an analogy elsewhere that said if you borrowed £20 from a mate and paid them it back a week later and also bought them a pint for £3.50 to say thanks, you probably wouldn't think anything of it. But calculated as an APR it would be horrendous. According to their website Wonga would charge you £7.26 for the same example, so maybe two pints.

 

 

Wonga charge £7 on a £20 loan for a week? :lol:  that is fucking ridiculous.

£7.26 to be precise

 

Aye, that's what I wrote. :lol:

 

Don't know why that's so funny :lol: :lol:

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why dont daft fuckers get an interest free credit card?

 

Think the Wonga selling point is that it delivers the money faster, and it possibly has a lower threshold for creditworthiness?

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These APR rates being banded about are utterly irrelevant as they don't lend money over a year, if you were to borrow 100 from them, in a weeks time you would need to pay back 110, that's equivalent of 14,000% APR, but you would never pay that interest because it is a short term loan.

 

How is the APR irrelevant?  Somebody under 25 gets £56.25 a week and would have to pay almost 20% of his/her weekly benefit in interest alone using the figures you use.

 

It's not irrelevant but it's a pretty misleading way to compare them to other lenders, because it's the representative rate as extended over a year. Which payday lenders don't do.

 

Saw an analogy elsewhere that said if you borrowed £20 from a mate and paid them it back a week later and also bought them a pint for £3.50 to say thanks, you probably wouldn't think anything of it. But calculated as an APR it would be horrendous. According to their website Wonga would charge you £7.26 for the same example, so maybe two pints.

 

 

Wonga charge £7 on a £20 loan for a week? :lol:  that is f***ing ridiculous.

 

 

 

It's no more a rip off as say, a £7 taxi journey when you could get the bus or metro to the same place for £3.

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It's not irrelevant but it's a pretty misleading way to compare them to other lenders, because it's the representative rate as extended over a year. Which payday lenders don't do.

 

Saw an analogy elsewhere that said if you borrowed £20 from a mate and paid them it back a week later and also bought them a pint for £3.50 to say thanks, you probably wouldn't think anything of it. But calculated as an APR it would be horrendous. According to their website Wonga would charge you £7.26 for the same example, so maybe two pints.

 

From what I've read people are taking out loans with one company to pay off the other so the APR is changing from one company to the other, people are still paying it.

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Using some of the logic on this thread, is it possible for anyone to prey on the desperate and vulnerable?  Illegal loan sharks?  Dodgy door-to-door double glazers knocking on old folks doors?  Confidence tricksters? Drug dealers?  Protection rackets? Gang masters?  People traffickers? Crooked landlords?  Pimps? It's easy to say "Oh, well, they shouldn't have got involved in it", not so much when you're desperate, have mental health problems or are semi-literate.

 

:thup:

 

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