James Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 For those who missed it yesterday: A through ball is played to Aguero who is 40 yards away from goal and 15 yards offside. Everyone in the ground knows it is offside. Aguero hasn't touched the ball, he hesitates at first but continues because he hasn't heard the whistle and chases the ball. Our defence had stopped assuming offside and Aguero is now a long way ahead. Yaya Toure runs through our defence and towards the ball and nearly catches Aguero. He is onside. Aguero touches the ball, linesman sticks up his flag. If he had noticed Toure and left it for him it would have been the two of them versus Krul. Completely farcical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Linesman was wrong. As soon as Aguero made an attempt for the ball his was offside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchWilliam Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Linesman was wrong. As soon as Aguero made an attempt for the ball his was offside Whether he was right or wrong, the sheer confusion of him, our back four and Aguero shows the rule needs clarifying imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The rule is pretty straight forward tbh. Our players should have played to the whistle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The rule is pretty straight forward tbh. Our players should have played to the whistle. This. Linesman could have got it wrong, Aguero could have been onside (I know, he clearly wasn't) despite everyone thinking he was offside. Always a risk to stop playing before the whistle has gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Should never have changed it from the original rule of if your in an offside position your offside. None of the phases in play, active and inactive players it just causes problems in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rey Mysterio Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The rule is pretty straight forward tbh. Our players should have played to the whistle. This. Toure should have given him a big shout and we should have been 3-0 down a bit earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Well, I don't have a problem with what the rule itself aims to achieve. Say Aguero did not touch the ball and Toure came storming in and had a chance at goal, it's fair do's as Toure made the effort to get on the end of a ball, starting from an onside position. What I do have a problem with is say Toure did get to the ball, Aguero should then not be involved in play until he was behind the defence again (back in an onside position), as he had gained an advantage being there starting from an offside position. The offside player should be completely neutralized and not allowed to take part in the attack until they have gone back into an onside position. One solution is for the player to plop down on their ass and hold their hand up while play continues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The flag should have went up immediately as Aguero was jogging towards the ball in the first place and clearly active. Clearest offside ever as well. I don't blame our players for stopping, if it had ever been allowed then it would have been the worst decision of all time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 As others have said about our defence, as obvious as it may have looked, play to the whistle. But it's a joke to claim that just because aguero didn't touch it, he's inactive. The definition of active and inactive in these rules appears to be a joke. No matter whether aguero touched the ball before toure, it was clear as day he was influencing the move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Boy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Going off thread I know, but what was the blackburn corner all about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Going off thread I know, but what was the blackburn corner all about? Pedersen took a corner to himself and crossed the ball in and Blackburn scored. It looked at first like Yakubu had put the ball down and brushed it into play before Pedersen came and got it and crossed it in, but he hadn't even touched. The ref turned his back to the action as well so just assumed it had taken place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Terrible refereeing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Boy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Going off thread I know, but what was the blackburn corner all about? Pedersen took a corner to himself and crossed the ball in and Blackburn scored. It looked at first like Yakubu had put the ball down and brushed it into play before Pedersen came and got it and crossed it in, but he hadn't even touched. The ref turned his back to the action as well so just assumed it had taken place. FFS isnt the assistant meant to watch the taker so its inside the quadrant etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Going off thread I know, but what was the blackburn corner all about? Pedersen took a corner to himself and crossed the ball in and Blackburn scored. It looked at first like Yakubu had put the ball down and brushed it into play before Pedersen came and got it and crossed it in, but he hadn't even touched. The ref turned his back to the action as well so just assumed it had taken place. FFS isnt the assistant meant to watch the taker so its inside the quadrant etc? It was the unmanned corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Linesman was wrong. As soon as Aguero made an attempt for the ball his was offside Agreed. The rule is correct, it was bad decision making from the linesman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Why was the linesman wrong then? He did put his flag up when Aguero touched it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest je85 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Should have flagged earlier as he was active even if he had not touched it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 He should have flagged the second Aguero went towards the ball and was thus involved in play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What, so for the sake of about 1.5 seconds (if that) he made a poor decision? Talk about overcritical. Aguero was the one offside. He was correctly given offside. Not sure what the linesman did wrong at all tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What, so for the sake of about 1.5 seconds (if that) he made a poor decision? Talk about overcritical. Aguero was the one offside. He was correctly given offside. Not sure what the linesman did wrong at all tbh. It did look like he was going to let play go on if Toure had picked it up instead though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What, so for the sake of about 1.5 seconds (if that) he made a poor decision? Talk about overcritical. Aguero was the one offside. He was correctly given offside. Not sure what the linesman did wrong at all tbh. It did look like he was going to let play go on if Toure had picked it up instead though. But that would have been okay, going by the current mental rules. Toure wasn't offside. The only person who fucked up was Aguero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Completely farcical poster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What, so for the sake of about 1.5 seconds (if that) he made a poor decision? Talk about overcritical. Aguero was the one offside. He was correctly given offside. Not sure what the linesman did wrong at all tbh. It did look like he was going to let play go on if Toure had picked it up instead though. But that would have been okay, going by the current mental rules. Toure wasn't offside. The only person who f***ed up was Aguero. Depends what you define as 'active'. Aguero was jogging towards the ball the entire time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What, so for the sake of about 1.5 seconds (if that) he made a poor decision? Talk about overcritical. Aguero was the one offside. He was correctly given offside. Not sure what the linesman did wrong at all tbh. It did look like he was going to let play go on if Toure had picked it up instead though. But that would have been okay, going by the current mental rules. Toure wasn't offside. The only person who fucked up was Aguero. Isn't that the point James was making? The rule is farcical if it deems Aguero wasn't active - the defence have stopped because the player who the ball has gone to is miles offside - by definition, that makes him offside and active imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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