craigmadge Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 57 minutes ago, Checko said: For their second goal, Toney wins the intial flick on but he was about 5 yards offside when it was played forward to him, (see 8.10 when the goalie launches it forward), so that shouldn't have stood. Would have been a shame as it was an outrageous finish but still, rulez is rulez. Can’t be offside from a goal kick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Just now, craigmadge said: Can’t be offside from a goal kick Ah is that right, for some reason didn't know that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Just seen Arsenals winner wow that should 100% be have been given as a handball by Jesus pretty shocking decision in my opinion. Imagine if West Ham had comeback and drawn that decision would have won Arsenal the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Agree with all the mentions about Norgaard. Absolutely incredible he didn't get booked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Checko said: Ah is that right, for some reason didn't know that Same for corners and throw-ins, otherwise the defensive line could just stand on the halfway line. Its also why the ref has his stinking arm up in the air. In fact, I don't want to see anyone posting here unless they've done the FA LAWS OF THE GAME and contacted their local county FA to take the ref course. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules Edited May 20 by OCK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 8 minutes ago, OCK said: Same for corners and throw-ins, otherwise the defensive line could just stand on the halfway line. Its also why the ref has his stinking arm up in the air. In fact, I don't want to see anyone posting here unless they've done the FA LAWS OF THE GAME and contacted their local county FA to take the ref course. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules Yeah I knew about the others, in fact I knew about the goal kicks in the past, but just had a bit of twatbrain thinking 'keeper's booted it forward & he's in a offside position. Bastard.' No time for proper consideration when there's outrage to be had! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 2 hours ago, craigmadge said: Can’t be offside from a goal kick run the line sometimes for the bairns games. a couple of years ago one of the dads raised his flag for an offside from a throwing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Erikse said: That's because you remember all the mistakes and forget about it everytime they overturn something obvious from incorrect to correct. I also don't walk around remembering all the correct things that VAR do, that isn't normal. What is normal is to talk about the mistakes, because every mistake that VAR does gets a bunch of attention. Because of this it feels like there isn't an improvement on the rate of mistakes, but it is. And it's significant. For example, anytime VAR makes a mistake, it's very rarely the correct decision to begin with anyways (contrary to what you're saying). It's usually because they don't think it's a clear and obvious error. I'm sure you can refer to some instances where they might have overturned a correct decision, but there are not many examples of that. Typically we happen to remember some of the few that actually happened, like the PSG game. We don't remember the all the instances where they overturn something incorrect, which is way more frequent. Because that is an expectation, as it should be. You have a point, but I think referees are letting more things go because they know the VAR is there. It's impossible to prove this, but I think it's only human nature that they would ref a game differently with VAR than without. He lets it go and VAR intervenes and chalks it off as a success. What we are also seeing, I believe, is cases where a ref has a gut feeling but lets play go on feeling the VAR has his back, only to be let down by a shocking non-intervention (e.g. the Gordon pen). We then have these pointless "independent panels" who tell everyone there is nothing to see here; we are told arbitrary stats that it is 96% correct (an absurd claim); we have ex-referees tying themselves in knots defending the worst VAR decisions. All of that only undermines VAR and the credibility of those paid off to defend the indefensible, and I think is part of the reason why it isn't getting better. Edited May 20 by ohmelads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said: Just seen Arsenals winner wow that should 100% be have been given as a handball by Jesus pretty shocking decision in my opinion. Imagine if West Ham had comeback and drawn that decision would have won Arsenal the league. The most hilarious thing is the ref got to see 2/3 takes of it on a screen and still couldn't see it Edited May 20 by Mikky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Think Oliver got the Jesus handball right tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) https://x.com/martynziegler/status/1792831023614415307 A positive move. Edited May 21 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Should go the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 If it sparks change, it has to be a positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 According to that article, we're one of the clubs voting to keep VAR. Considering Howe has been pretty explicit that he doesn't like it, I'd be interested to know who is pushing that line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, The Prophet said: If it sparks change, it has to be a positive. What am I missing from the headling "VAR-less' tables give #AFC (x2) and Wolves #UCL spots" when the article shows Wolves in 13th (up from 14th)? Pure bait? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 12 minutes ago, Teslact said: What am I missing from the headling "VAR-less' tables give #AFC (x2) and Wolves #UCL spots" when the article shows Wolves in 13th (up from 14th)? Pure bait? They're being a bit confusing with the headline. Further down they cover what would've happened in prior seasons without VAR, and apparently Wolves would've had Champions' League in 19/20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 17 hours ago, 80 said: They're being a bit confusing with the headline. Further down they cover what would've happened in prior seasons without VAR, and apparently Wolves would've had Champions' League in 19/20. Thanks. I wasn't going to read the whole thing as the site was nearly as bad as Ronnie's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Teslact said: Thanks. I wasn't going to read the whole thing as the site was nearly as bad as Ronnie's. I was shocked how the article kept going on and on! Edited May 27 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Wolves the only club that voted in favour of scrapping VAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Nobody said: Wolves the only club that voted in favour of scrapping VAR Happy with this. Var is not the issue. The quality of implementation is. The premier league is rich. I would still love every game to have 3 separate VAR teams. They can't hear each other. A decision is only overruled if 2 out of three agree in a time limit. Human error will always occur. There will always be disagreements. So minimise that using consensus. If you wanted to go mad have 5 teams and 3 must agree. In reality this will never happen. There are not enough competent people to do 1 team per game. But I'm convinced, in my own mind at least, that this would improve accuracy. It would be a fun exercise. Edited June 6 by KetsbaiaIsBald Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 It ‘could’ be implemented much better but I don’t have any confidence it will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Nobody said: Wolves the only club that voted in favour of scrapping VAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said: Happy with this. Var is not the issue. The quality of implementation is. The premier league is rich. I would still love every game to have 3 separate VAR teams. They can't hear each other. A decision is only overruled if 2 out of three agree in a time limit. Human error will always occur. There will always be disagreements. So minimise that using consensus. If you wanted to go mad have 5 teams and 3 must agree. In reality this will never happen. There are not enough competent people to do 1 team per game. But I'm convinced, in my own mind at least, that this would improve accuracy. It would be a fun exercise. Round and round we go. Disappointed with the outcome. Dunno why I got my hopes up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said: Happy with this. Var is not the issue. The quality of implementation is. The premier league is rich. I would still love every game to have 3 separate VAR teams. They can't hear each other. A decision is only overruled if 2 out of three agree in a time limit. Human error will always occur. There will always be disagreements. So minimise that using consensus. If you wanted to go mad have 5 teams and 3 must agree. In reality this will never happen. There are not enough competent people to do 1 team per game. But I'm convinced, in my own mind at least, that this would improve accuracy. It would be a fun exercise. Nah, VAR is definitely THE problem. I would absolutely prefer the 82% of decisions being correct with no VAR than 96% with VAR and all the bullshit that comes with it. They've had their fun with it, now lets go back to what worked for 100+ years please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Var is marmite. I just want to believe it can become better. I get why people hate it though. They’re/you’re not wrong. My bias is towards accuracy of decisions. I think we need to feel some pain now to iterate to a place where it 100% improves the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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