Dogawful Officiating

[Kid Icarus]

Where do you all think Pawson ranks in the worst refs of all time? I swear I've only exclusively seen him have terrible games, can't stand him. Usually makes at least one massive and terrible decision per match, a lot of the smaller decisions are wrong, he takes forever to make them, he blows up for nothing one minute, plays on for a blatant free kick the next , gets in the way of play regularly and has an incredibly irritating manner about him. My heart sinks whenever he's reffing us or on VAR because you can bet he's going to ruin the match. 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 22:01 by Kid Icarus

[Bimpy474]

He's terrible, up there with the worst that's for sure.

[Norseman]

He's just bad. I think the worst refs are the ones like pawson.

 

Total guesswork but, he probably thinks if he doesn’t make a big call in a game, he hasn’t done a good job. So he looks for opportunities to make one.

[midds]

Pawson is the cheapest refereeing slut out there, he blows for fucking anything he fancies. There's no consistency from minute to minute, he loves a collapse one minute and ignores it the next, he's like a Dungeons & Dragons 20-sided dice the utter fucking melt that he is

[SteV]

What is the actual point of referees going to the screen for VAR reviews?

 

As far as I’m aware, Oliver is the only ref who’s ever not changed his decision. So one non-change in what’s probably over 100 instances now.

 

Just get the VAR to tell the onfield ref to change his decision and get on with it.

[Kanj]

Pawson is horrendous.  

[Kanj]

Genuinely shocked seeing refs get conned by players hurling themselves to the ground. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

VAR has actually made diving worse, because now you don’t need to get a pen from the referee in real time. You can just engineer a tiny bit of contact that can be seen on a replay.
 

It’s completely the opposite of what it should be for. 

[gbandit]

It’s been a disaster for football in my opinion. I’m happy with automated offsides and I think violent and reckless things that aren’t picked up by the ref on the field (e.g. VVD’s use of elbows) should be captured by VAR but they’re not. So what purpose is it serving? Giving us a load of contentious decisions that are just as contentious as they were before but taking ages to make a decision on. It’s utter shite 

[BlueStar]

One thing I just remembered from the Palace game, at the start we pushed forward and there was an absolutely clear offside, like miles off even with my black and white specs on.  Linesman didn't bother flagging, presumably cos VAR will check it if we score anyway. Then we get a corner from it.  Palace fans could be justifiably raging if we got a goal from that corner.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, BlueStar said:

One thing I just remembered from the Palace game, at the start we pushed forward and there was an absolutely clear offside, like miles off even with my black and white specs on.  Linesman didn't bother flagging, presumably cos VAR will check it if we score anyway. Then we get a corner from it.  Palace fans could be justifiably raging if we got a goal from that corner.

 

Yeah that happens all the time, an offside not given which then results in play continuing in whatever way.

 

I'm not sure if the offside rule was only intended to be used in the event of a goal, or if that's an unintended consequence of the way it works with VAR now. 

[Fak]

4 minutes ago, BlueStar said:

One thing I just remembered from the Palace game, at the start we pushed forward and there was an absolutely clear offside, like miles off even with my black and white specs on.  Linesman didn't bother flagging, presumably cos VAR will check it if we score anyway. Then we get a corner from it.  Palace fans could be justifiably raging if we got a goal from that corner.

 

If the lino thought he was offside he'd have flagged when the attack ended and the ball went out for a corner or goal kick. If he didn't flag then it'll be because he thought he was onside.

 

(I think)

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

It’s been a disaster for football in my opinion. I’m happy with automated offsides and I think violent and reckless things that aren’t picked up by the ref on the field (e.g. VVD’s use of elbows) should be captured by VAR but they’re not. So what purpose is it serving? Giving us a load of contentious decisions that are just as contentious as they were before but taking ages to make a decision on. It’s utter shite 

 

I can never get my head around this view... "VAR is shit but I don't mind the bit where it's a total fun sponge."

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I guess it’s how it’s applied. Automated offside can rule out goals in an annoying way, but at least it’s applying the actual rules and doesn’t depend so much on subjective judgement. I’d say it’s the lesser VAR evil, if we have to have VAR at all. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:39 by AyeDubbleYoo

[gbandit]

5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

I can never get my head around this view... "VAR is shit but I don't mind the bit where it's a total fun sponge."

My lack of issue with them is that they’re immediate, or should be, and they do increase the accuracy of it. Think it’s very hard to argue against this aspect of it

[SteV]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

I can never get my head around this view... "VAR is shit but I don't mind the bit where it's a total fun sponge."

Tbf, if they used automated offsides properly and efficiently, it wouldn’t be so bad.

 

Like surely you can just press a button and it says yes or no within 5 seconds. Then the lino gets a buzz in his ear and puts his flag up. Not too much different to how it was, but (hopefully) significantly more accurate.

 

Aye, there’d be a few where it’d require interpretation, like was the player interfering, or has it been played by a defender etc, but we could live with them having to go back and revisit those ones.

[Cf]

12 minutes ago, SteV said:

Tbf, if they used automated offsides properly and efficiently, it wouldn’t be so bad.

 

Like surely you can just press a button and it says yes or no within 5 seconds. Then the lino gets a buzz in his ear and puts his flag up. Not too much different to how it was, but (hopefully) significantly more accurate.

 

Aye, there’d be a few where it’d require interpretation, like was the player interfering, or has it been played by a defender etc, but we could live with them having to go back and revisit those ones.

 

And seeing how we're alright with looking at those ones it's not that much of a stretch to go "well actually the ref has given a penalty but there was clearly no contact" and that only takes a few secs so we may as well correct him there. And so on and so on. 

 

The semi automated offside thing is alright but it's worlds away from what people would see as it's equivalent in goal line technology. 

 

You either commit to re-refereeing games via video replay or you don't. There's no middle ground. It's a fundamental decision on how you want to referee games. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:52 by Cf

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’ve said before that if we have VAR it should be about correcting the referee and someone with a better view making the final decision. This connection between the ref making an error and VAR advising him is just the worst of both worlds.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:57 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Kanj]

pawson said no penalty  yesterday, VAR says have a look, shows one angle. Didn’t show any others. Good system. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:30 by Kanj

[The Prophet]

VAR absolutely can work:

 

Check "clear and obvious" mistakes only i.e. clear hand balls or instances off the ball that the referee might have missed. Anything contentious or requiring a subjective view, we stick with the onfield call.

 

Stop sending refs to the monitor. It adds another unnecessary layer to the process.

 

Give a buffer or a margin for errors to eliminate immaterial offside calls.

 

Better communication with the fans in the stadium. i.e. what is being checked and why?

 

If it isn't going to be stripped back to serve its original purpose, bin it.

[Hanshithispantz]

I still think the best solution is an appeal system with a dedicated VAR representative at each club deciding what to send off to a remote VAR hub to review.

 

Only a selection of a few set camera angles, no zooming right in, no slow-mo, and they have 30 seconds to vote whether yes, no, or not sure. Majority wins.

 

 

[Groundhog63]

Posted before about VAR. I'm with big Ange. 

It doesn't matter if the correct outcome is reached if that takes 6 fucking minutes. 

 

[Tsunami]

VAR isn’t intended to re-referee a game but it quite clearly is doing just that. 
 

If it really is for clear and obvious errors why does VAR have to explain to the referee what was clear and obvious and then show the referee angles to back up the VAR decision?

 

I’d suggest that if VAR think a clear and obvious error has taken place that they ask the referee to view the monitor, show the referee all angles, ask

the referee if they want to see a reply of any angle they have seen and also if they want it in slow motion. At that point the referee makes their decision. No input from VAR, if it’s clear and obvious the referee has had opportunity to see this clear error; it should jump off the screen.

 

We will still get decisions that a majority might disagree with but at least it will be the referee making the decision as opposed VAR forensically telling the referee why they need to overturn a decision. VAR almost has a vested interest in the outcome.

[Tsunami]

I’d also get the referee to ask VAR to confirm that all angles had been shown and if they overturn their decision that they mic up and tell the crowd what they have seen to make them overturn their original decision.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:04 by Tsunami

[midds]

I'd keep it but flip it around a bit. Marginal penalty decision and lets say the ref gives it but he's not sure. HE asks the VAR team to get the best views of the incident and the REF initiates it. He's basically saying "I think it's a pen but I'm not totally sure, can you get all of the angles on the screen for me". He then jogs to the screen, watches it again and either confirms it or corrects himself. VAR don't even get an opinion unless it's an utter howler. The onus is still on the ref to make his own mind up (with his linesmen if need be, no objection to the ref asking for his mates to watch the screen together) and VAR stay the fuck out of it as much as possible