Hughesy Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Liverpool did it today. I dare say we would have done the same to them if we were at home and the dominant team. Like last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 you know at barcelona , there's a little training regime they use, im sure many would have heard about it. the 6 second rule. when they lose the ball , they get 6 seconds to win it back. this is a team full of individuals just as technical and more even than gifted as HBA,. you only have to watch them play live, everyone of their outfield players break their balls to win the ball back, and i wouldn't call them having ten tough tackling individuals, but the hunger is there to win the ball. ok granted they dont lose the ball that often lol but the point is, all their players regardless of position ,when the ball is lost, they all get busy and commit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Barcelona are the best team in the world at pressing from the front, a completely different system to what we employ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 you know at barcelona , there's a little training regime they use, im sure many would have heard about it. the 6 second rule. when they lose the ball , they get 6 seconds to win it back. this is a team full of individuals just as technical and more even than gifted as HBA,. you only have to watch them play live, everyone of their outfield players break their balls to win the ball back, and i wouldn't call them having ten tough tackling individuals, but the hunger is there to win the ball. ok granted they dont lose the ball that often lol but the point is, all their players regardless of position ,when the ball is lost, they all get busy and commit! What happens if they dont win it back in 6 seconds? Tito have them all in the dressing room for lashings, like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Am I the only one who thinks he looks a yard off the pace? I know what people are saying about him being tired from all of the defending, but in the last 3 or 4 games he seems to be lacking that burst to beat players. Is it just a case of him being up against very quick full backs? I'm sure he had a better explosive burst in the first few games and second half of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Am I the only one who thinks he looks a yard off the pace? I know what people are saying about him being tired from all of the defending, but in the last 3 or 4 games he seems to be lacking that burst to beat players. Is it just a case of him being up against very quick full backs? I'm sure he had a better explosive burst in the first few games and second half of last season. Had the same impression that he is tired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's never been rapid, well not since the broken leg. He just has great acceleration and close control but would likely lose in a foot race against most full backs. Agree though he was noticeably fatigued when chasing liverpool players but still went on a few long sprints in the 2nd half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Never been rapid? Lose against most full backs in a foot race? Come on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Never been rapid? Lose against most full backs in a foot race? Come on He almost skinned BAE in the first game of the season after giving him a massive head start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brendan_Rice Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Keep seeing him pick the ball up outside our box and run well into their half, that is bound to knacker the shite out of you. Would like to see the runs start at midfield more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He ran with the ball from our half into the Bolton box to score in less than 7 seconds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Keep seeing him pick the ball up outside our box and run well into their half, that is bound to knacker the shite out of you. Would like to see the runs start at midfield more. As I said before I'd love to see a diagram of every position that he receives the ball in a typical game and I'd be surprised if the majority were in the opposition half. Same for Cisse and Ba - two centre forwards whose average receipt position must be about 40 yards from goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Never been rapid? Lose against most full backs in a foot race? Come on He almost skinned BAE in the first game of the season after giving him a massive head start He was on something in that game to be fair im not saying he's slow by any stretch just he hasn't got a great top speed but he has superb acceleration meaning he gets the better of players more often than not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 That's what I'm saying tho, that acceleration seems to have deserted him the last few games. It was particularly noticeable against Danny Rose where he seemed unable to beat him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It wasn't that noticeable when he absolutely burned 3 WBA players, in particular Mulumbu, who's no slouch. It's simply a tiredness issue, I'm certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He shouldn't be tired after 10 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Keep seeing him pick the ball up outside our box and run well into their half, that is bound to knacker the s**** out of you. Would like to see the runs start at midfield more. As I said before I'd love to see a diagram of every position that he receives the ball in a typical game and I'd be surprised if the majority were in the opposition half. Same for Cisse and Ba - two centre forwards whose average receipt position must be about 40 yards from goal. He's mainly a wasted talent at the minute and can still change a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He shouldn't be tired after 10 games. He can be tired in games if he's being asked to work hard. I wouldn't say he's naturally the fittest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He tried to dribble the ball out from too close to our goal today, although it wasn't his fault as most of the time he had no ball outlet. Got tackled a few times, when he got it right he looked dangerous aka our goal today. Jose to be fair did better today than his last game at St James' Park, although he didn't have a clue where the ball was for the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It wasn't that noticeable when he absolutely burned 3 WBA players, in particular Mulumbu, who's no slouch. It's simply a tiredness issue, I'm certain. I think it was Mike who's comment was spot on for that. Something like "I was just waiting to see how he was going to beat those 3 dudes" Ridiculous pace and acceleration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaehyun Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I think the problem is that he often has to use his pace in positions where he shouldn't be or shouldn't have to rather. Our team doesn't move enough to provide outlets for him to conserve his energy in the final 3rd of the pitch. Usually it's Ben Arfa taking the ball out of our own box/half and by the time he needs his pace to get into their box he's out of puff. Suarez absolutely terrorised our defence not because he's more talented then Ben Arfa but because when they're not attacking he's standing/walking around near our centre halves and uses his saved up energy to burst into our half of the field when they attack. If we start moving/passing more as a team and Ben Arfa can conserve his energy for bursts into the box/wing (like he did for the goal today) we'll really start seeing his pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Keep seeing him pick the ball up outside our box and run well into their half, that is bound to knacker the s**** out of you. Would like to see the runs start at midfield more. As I said before I'd love to see a diagram of every position that he receives the ball in a typical game and I'd be surprised if the majority were in the opposition half. Same for Cisse and Ba - two centre forwards whose average receipt position must be about 40 yards from goal. He's mainly a wasted talent at the minute and can still change a game. Absolutely spot on. In fact most of our players are. We have great talent. Pardew coaches the team like we haven´t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Reflecting on his recent performances a bit more, I think it’s either in-game tiredness (both physical and mental) or a slight dip in motivation. He has tried some, let’s say, lazier attempts at taking players on of late but also his defensive game has gotten worse too. In the first 6 games or so, when he was tracking back he was winning tackles regularly and getting plaudits for it but ever since that Man U second half, we mostly see a lazy attempt at sticking a leg out or something along those lines and the opponent more often than not glides past him. He still makes sure he’s back in his ‘zone’ and tracks well enough (he made an excellent defensive headed clearance yesterday) but overall it’s not at the standard it was, much like his attacking play. I don’t think anyone should really be getting on his back too much mind, he’s still producing some real moments of magic a game, even if it isn’t quite as much as before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I actually thought for the last 25-30 mins of the first half, the movement was better and there was a bit of fluidity to the front three. HBA was popping up in different positions, Ba was drifting wide allowing Cabaye and HBA to advance through the middle and Cisse started to come off the line. Had them on the ropes for the last part of the half. Then Ba went off, then Cabaye and we fell apart. Trying to defend a one goal lead with less than 100 passes was always going to be a struggle. If we can play like we did at the end of the first half and on the front foot, then we'd actually get the best out of HBA. It would help the majority of the team TBH. I actually thought his defending was pretty good considering. Won a few headers, tracked back and made a few more committed challenges by his standards. But that is just not his game and I don't expect him to be doing it for 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I actually thought for the last 25-30 mins of the first half, the movement was better and there was a bit of fluidity to the front three. HBA was popping up in different positions, Ba was drifting wide allowing Cabaye and HBA to advance through the middle and Cisse started to come off the line. Had them on the ropes for the last part of the half. Then Ba went off, then Cabaye and we fell apart. Trying to defend a one goal lead with less than 100 passes was always going to be a struggle. If we can play like we did at the end of the first half and on the front foot, then we'd actually get the best out of HBA. It would help the majority of the team TBH. I actually thought his defending was pretty good considering. Won a few headers, tracked back and made a few more committed challenges by his standards. But that is just not his game and I don't expect him to be doing it for 90 minutes. Generally agree apart from the last bit, I think he seemed more committed defensively earlier on in the campaign. We would get more out of him by having a more attack minded style but there's definitely a bit of snap missing from his individual performances, people are saying it's his pace but I think it's more his agility which is looking a little tired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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