Cajun Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I can understand that but the speculation is mainly paper fueled. Appreciate that concern though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I can understand that but the speculation is mainly paper fueled. Appreciate that concern though. With his setup, to say its paper fueled is a bit optimistic (IMO). Reminds me of Anelka and his backroom staff, just got to look at how many clubs he's had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I can understand that but the speculation is mainly paper fueled. Appreciate that concern though. Not really though, he has a bit form for being difficult. Walking out on Hoffenheim and his advisor (brother was it) moaning about his position and being dropped while here. I still love him like, just dont like the hangers on around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Not sure what he does wrong as a centre forward. It seems to me some can't differentiate between wanting Ba to play wide left and the idea of someone playing wide left and him moving central. I really like Cisse and am under no illusion he has,lost it but Ba is clearly our best centre forward at this time so some's wanting to drop/sell him is absolutely baffling We can't built a team around Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Would we have dropped Colo when we thought (and let's face it, we all did) he was never going to sign that contract? No, because you don't shift your best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Would we have dropped Colo when we thought (and let's face it, we all did) he was never going to sign that contract? No, because you don't shift your best players. Because Colo didn't sulk and have his people talking to papers ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The contract's only part of the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Colo had nothing to whinge about. If we moved him to right back for half a season I'm not sure he would be so keen to sign a nee contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Colo had nothing to whinge about. If we moved him to right back for half a season I'm not sure he would be so keen to sign a nee contract. Fair comment that . I still bang on about rotating position in the front three, and not being left centre right, just freed up movement. Mind you you need a expansive forward thinking coach for that to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Agree with the fluent movement thing (love you Bimpy). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Oi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 For the record I've said before that Ba's the best all round striker we've had since 96-97 Shearer. I just don't think he's the right man to build the attack around for various reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Agree with the fluent movement thing (love you Bimpy). This is the biggest problem for me.... when Ba and Cisse play in a front 3 irrelevant who the central figure is the movement, link up and interchanging with those around them and just overall understanding of the role is a million times better. Against Wigan i felt we saw Ba and Cisse's best performance of the season in regards to off the ball movement, linking up and roaming and interchanging with those around them. For example who was the one who roamed to a deep position to play Marveaux in who in turn played Bigi in for his goal? Ba. I know Cisse didn't score but i felt his movement and link up play and understanding of the role he played just like Ba whether he played on the right or the centre was great too. When doing this other players come into the equation too just like Bigi did so we are not as predictable and we are more threatening from different angles. This doesn't happen when the two of them play as a front 2 as they are both making similar runs and seem to have the understanding and off the ball movement of a couple of Heskeys. But as a front 3 whether Ba plays out wide or Cisse plays out wide there seems to be a better understanding of roles, movement seems to be better, link up seems to be better and obviously the team improves as a result. Hoping we similar to what we saw against Wigan with regards to movement, link up play and understanding of roles but with Ben Arfa thrown into the mix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Agree with all of that. The 4-3-3,4-2-3-1 etc whatever you want to call it suits the players we have right now and if Pardew reverts back to 442 with ba-cisse on monday then i am finally done backing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Agree with Ronaldo. Ba is a superb footballer but I'd choose Cisse if I had to build the team around one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 The most frustrating thing re: Ba is that when he arrived he was touted as someone who could and would play wide left, he'd played there fairly regularly in his career by all accounts, including for West Ham. It seemed simply that he took a bit of a huff during that barren run when Cisse was getting all the plaudits and all the goals that he'd previously been getting and just took an attitude of "never again". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Ba is fantastic but we don't have the width to build the team around him. In the end the player we want to build the team around has to be Ben Arfa and Cisse makes more sense to play with him. Having said all that, would be horrible to lose Ba, absolutely wonderful player, and one of the best at redirecting balls coming from any angle into the net. The opening goal vs Man U at home last season can not get enough love, yes route one but just how well he places it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 The most frustrating thing re: Ba is that when he arrived he was touted as someone who could and would play wide left, he'd played there fairly regularly in his career by all accounts, including for West Ham. It seemed simply that he took a bit of a huff during that barren run when Cisse was getting all the plaudits and all the goals that he'd previously been getting and just took an attitude of "never again". Yep. Played there when Hoffenheim had their excellent debut season IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Ba is fantastic but we don't have the width to build the team around him. In the end the player we want to build the team around has to be Ben Arfa and Cisse makes more sense to play with him. Having said all that, would be horrible to lose Ba, absolutely wonderful player, and one of the best at redirecting balls coming from any angle into the net. The opening goal vs Man U at home last season can not get enough love, yes route one but just how well he places it We should be looking to build a team around our 3 forwards instead of our back 5. Ba is class and it's amazing how people are so quick to accept that we might lose him, not just this coming window but also the last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think a front 3 of Ben arfa on right Cisse in middle and Ba on left is fine, and I'd like them to fluidly switch round for the record. It bothers me that Ba sees fit to complain about this though. I don;t disagree that it may be ideal to build the team around them, but I am unconvinved that Ba and Cisse can work together as presently set up, and the 3 at front isn't sure to work, didn't work for Ba at least. I wouldn't sell Ba for 3 times the release clause if given the option mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think a front 3 of Ben arfa on right Cisse in middle and Ba on left is fine, and I'd like them to fluidly switch round for the record. It bothers me that Ba sees fit to complain about this though. I don;t disagree that it may be ideal to build the team around them, but I am unconvinved that Ba and Cisse can work together as presently set up, and the 3 at front isn't sure to work, didn't work for Ba at least. I wouldn't sell Ba for 3 times the release clause if given the option mind I was quite happy with his performances on the left of a front 3 and just think he was unlucky. He was still getting shots off on goal and they just weren't coming off for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I certainly want to go back and try that again, I remember he did seem to be on a run of bad luck there I agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Agree with all of that. The 4-3-3,4-2-3-1 etc whatever you want to call it suits the players we have right now and if Pardew reverts back to 442 with ba-cisse on monday then i am finally done backing him. This. It would signal his lack of understanding and irreversable philosophy of hoofball. I'm done with him if it does happen. Big issue, long term, is dropping Ba or Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Dropping Ba or Cisse is a no brainer at the moment (and I do rate Cisse) Ba seems to be suffering from the fact he was willing to play half a season out wide. Cisse put just as good a performance outwide against Wigan as Ba ever did last season, not sure why the option is Ba playing wide or fuck off, especially as them playing central with 'no service' has resulted in Ba scoring 10 and Cisse scoring one with another being kicked off him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 If you ever get down about NUFC and particularly how we're playing at the time, think about Ben Arfa. What a talent. Plays for us. Aye but for how much longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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