BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 We've got a GREAT squad anyway. We'll do really well this season. Great squads always do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 But they play for us. And we might yet keep them. And if we don't, we'll replace them. You asked me about our striking options right now The striking options that the club own - that's what I should have specified. Yet again, you crave longevity yet you're happy with these two loan signings. Someone already mentioned about Sunderland relying on loan signings to keep them up and look at their league position now. Ok, if you'd specified 'that the club own' I'd have said, "Absolutely horrendous, but we have these loans for now who are really good". I'm not being inconsistent - I crave longevity, so I'd rather have permanent signings, but we have these loans which are ok for now. Preferring permanent signings doesn't mean I pretend the loans haven't happened or that they somehow don't count as signings. Loans for a club our size are utterly pathetic. It's a way for the club to spend minimal amounts - something you'll be absolutely chuffed about. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jan/25/emmanuel-adebayor-real-madrid-loan http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23015682 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually 10/10 for tenacious optimism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm not on the Southampton band wagon, just like i wasn't on the Swansea one last year. Play good football but there results can just be as erratic and although they've hit god form in the league atm, they will have their bad patch once again. Still think we can finish above them and finish the season strongly. If we don't do that just stumble into 9th place, it's not the end of the world. Our good first half of the season ensured there would be no relegation battle this year, it pushed us into a position to challenge top 6 but Ashley decided it would be better to sell our best player instead of keeping him and adding a couple to help with the push. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually You know what mate, when we were on course to finish 5th a lot of us were saying 'this is shit, it's not sustainable, we need to do things differently'. The next season we barely avoided relegation. When we were in that decent little spell before Christmas a few were lapping it up and spouting their usual shite normally accompanied by a call to look at the league table. Some people can see further than just the current league position. We worry about the direction the club is going, the overall strategy (if there is one), the long term development of the club from the academy levels to the first team. If you're happy with what you see when you look at Newcastle United then all power to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? Absolutely yes. Take the past and the present and extrapolate the various possible futures. Look at the direction and the trend of events and on that base your expectations and hopes for this great football club. Well, that's what I've done. And in the last few seasons, our lineup at the end of each summer transfer window has been stronger than the lineup at the end of the summer window before it. Whether that has been down to January business or whatever, it's true. So now I want to see whether the same will apply at the start of next season. I don't think it will (because Cabaye was so damn good and I don't think his replacement will be a match, with the best will in the world) but I think we'll have made some significant improvements across the team. So we've improved our squad every season and yet we're not far above where Hughton left us. Our last league position was well below where Hughton left us. You state we have improved our squad year on year ergo Alan Pardew has done a worse job with a better squad than Chris Hughton who was sacked. We're not far above because it is really really hard to break into the top 6. We could improve even more and still find that we tend to finish 6th - 8th. But anyone can glance at our squad over the last 3 years and see it's improved as we've signed players like Ben Arfa, Debuchy, Cabaye, Sissoko, Anita, Mbiwa, Gouffran, Remy blah blah. If anyone is going to dispute that then I give up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 But they play for us. And we might yet keep them. And if we don't, we'll replace them. You asked me about our striking options right now The striking options that the club own - that's what I should have specified. Yet again, you crave longevity yet you're happy with these two loan signings. Someone already mentioned about Sunderland relying on loan signings to keep them up and look at their league position now. Ok, if you'd specified 'that the club own' I'd have said, "Absolutely horrendous, but we have these loans for now who are really good". I'm not being inconsistent - I crave longevity, so I'd rather have permanent signings, but we have these loans which are ok for now. Preferring permanent signings doesn't mean I pretend the loans haven't happened or that they somehow don't count as signings. Loans for a club our size are utterly pathetic. It's a way for the club to spend minimal amounts - something you'll be absolutely chuffed about. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jan/25/emmanuel-adebayor-real-madrid-loan http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23015682 The deal is a victory for the Real coach, José Mourinho, who has persisted in his pursuit of a new striker despite resistance from the board. - Cheap option when board are unwilling. Courtois was done because it was clear from the outset that the loan deal would be for a long time until Cech was finished. To be honest there's nowt wrong with the odd one but to be reliant on loan players is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually You know what mate, when we were on course to finish 5th a lot of us were saying 'this is shit, it's not sustainable, we need to do things differently'. The next season we barely avoided relegation. When we were in that decent little spell before Christmas a few were lapping it up and spouting their usual shite normally accompanied by a call to look at the league table. Some people can see further than just the current league position. We worry about the direction the club is going, the overall strategy (if there is one), the long term development of the club from the academy levels to the first team. If you're happy with what you see when you look at Newcastle United then all power to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? Absolutely yes. Take the past and the present and extrapolate the various possible futures. Look at the direction and the trend of events and on that base your expectations and hopes for this great football club. Well, that's what I've done. And in the last few seasons, our lineup at the end of each summer transfer window has been stronger than the lineup at the end of the summer window before it. Whether that has been down to January business or whatever, it's true. So now I want to see whether the same will apply at the start of next season. I don't think it will (because Cabaye was so damn good and I don't think his replacement will be a match, with the best will in the world) but I think we'll have made some significant improvements across the team. So we've improved our squad every season and yet we're not far above where Hughton left us. Our last league position was well below where Hughton left us. You state we have improved our squad year on year ergo Alan Pardew has done a worse job with a better squad than Chris Hughton who was sacked. We're not far above because it is really really hard to break into the top 6. We could improve even more and still find that we tend to finish 6th - 8th. But anyone can glance at our squad over the last 3 years and see it's improved as we've signed players like Ben Arfa, Debuchy, Cabaye, Sissoko, Anita, Mbiwa, Gouffran, Remy blah blah. If anyone is going to dispute that then I give up. Ok, so we agree Pardew is doing less with more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 But they play for us. And we might yet keep them. And if we don't, we'll replace them. You asked me about our striking options right now The striking options that the club own - that's what I should have specified. Yet again, you crave longevity yet you're happy with these two loan signings. Someone already mentioned about Sunderland relying on loan signings to keep them up and look at their league position now. Ok, if you'd specified 'that the club own' I'd have said, "Absolutely horrendous, but we have these loans for now who are really good". I'm not being inconsistent - I crave longevity, so I'd rather have permanent signings, but we have these loans which are ok for now. Preferring permanent signings doesn't mean I pretend the loans haven't happened or that they somehow don't count as signings. Loans for a club our size are utterly pathetic. It's a way for the club to spend minimal amounts - something you'll be absolutely chuffed about. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jan/25/emmanuel-adebayor-real-madrid-loan http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23015682 The deal is a victory for the Real coach, José Mourinho, who has persisted in his pursuit of a new striker despite resistance from the board. - Cheap option when board are unwilling. Courtois was done because it was clear from the outset that the loan deal would be for a long time until Cech was finished. To be honest there's nowt wrong with the odd one but to be reliant on loan players is wrong. Yep. If we settled into a pattern of getting more and more loans over the next couple of years I'd think that a) it was shit and not likely to lead to improvement or stability b) bafflingly inconsistent with the previously stated aim of buying young and selling for loads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 If anyone is going to dispute that then I give up. I dispute that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually You know what mate, when we were on course to finish 5th a lot of us were saying 'this is s***, it's not sustainable, we need to do things differently'. The next season we barely avoided relegation. When we were in that decent little spell before Christmas a few were lapping it up and spouting their usual s**** normally accompanied by a call to look at the league table. Some people can see further than just the current league position. We worry about the direction the club is going, the overall strategy (if there is one), the long term development of the club from the academy levels to the first team. If you're happy with what you see when you look at Newcastle United then all power to you. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually You know what mate, when we were on course to finish 5th a lot of us were saying 'this is s***, it's not sustainable, we need to do things differently'. The next season we barely avoided relegation. When we were in that decent little spell before Christmas a few were lapping it up and spouting their usual s**** normally accompanied by a call to look at the league table. Some people can see further than just the current league position. We worry about the direction the club is going, the overall strategy (if there is one), the long term development of the club from the academy levels to the first team. If you're happy with what you see when you look at Newcastle United then all power to you. I'll never be happy with what i see with Ashley in charge. I've never budged from the fact he's the biggest cunt by a country mile. If you could have a situation where either Ashley stays long term and a new manager is hired, or a new owner comes in and Pardew remains in charge, i'd take the new owner all day long without question. The owners are the most important people at the club, not the players, not the manager. With the right ambition and with the right attitude, the owners can take your club wherever they dare to dream. Players/Managers however can always be restricted by the owner in charge, like is the case with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? Absolutely yes. Take the past and the present and extrapolate the various possible futures. Look at the direction and the trend of events and on that base your expectations and hopes for this great football club. Well, that's what I've done. And in the last few seasons, our lineup at the end of each summer transfer window has been stronger than the lineup at the end of the summer window before it. Whether that has been down to January business or whatever, it's true. So now I want to see whether the same will apply at the start of next season. I don't think it will (because Cabaye was so damn good and I don't think his replacement will be a match, with the best will in the world) but I think we'll have made some significant improvements across the team. So we've improved our squad every season and yet we're not far above where Hughton left us. Our last league position was well below where Hughton left us. You state we have improved our squad year on year ergo Alan Pardew has done a worse job with a better squad than Chris Hughton who was sacked. We're not far above because it is really really hard to break into the top 6. We could improve even more and still find that we tend to finish 6th - 8th. But anyone can glance at our squad over the last 3 years and see it's improved as we've signed players like Ben Arfa, Debuchy, Cabaye, Sissoko, Anita, Mbiwa, Gouffran, Remy blah blah. If anyone is going to dispute that then I give up. Ok, so we agree Pardew is doing less with more. I don't think you can deduce that just from the league position and the strength of the squad because, as I said, it's ridiculously hard to break into the top 6 / 7 consistently no matter who you are or how much you spend (within sensible limits) - or whoever your manager is. But what Pardew is doing is certainly not more with more. He's just... doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually You know what mate, when we were on course to finish 5th a lot of us were saying 'this is s***, it's not sustainable, we need to do things differently'. The next season we barely avoided relegation. When we were in that decent little spell before Christmas a few were lapping it up and spouting their usual s**** normally accompanied by a call to look at the league table. Some people can see further than just the current league position. We worry about the direction the club is going, the overall strategy (if there is one), the long term development of the club from the academy levels to the first team. If you're happy with what you see when you look at Newcastle United then all power to you. I'll never be happy with what i see with Ashley in charge. I've never budged from the fact he's the biggest cunt by a country mile. If you could have a situation where either Ashley stays long term and a new manager is hired, or a new owner comes in and Pardew remains in charge, i'd take the new owner all day long without question. The owners are the most important people at the club, not the players, not the manager. With the right ambition and with the right attitude, the owners can take your club wherever they dare to dream. Players/Managers however can always be restricted by the owner in charge, like is the case with us. Well you need to talk to trollboy then because he thinks the owner's doing ok and our squad is improving every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Well I think the second bit, certainly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. I still think we will grab 8th actually You know what mate, when we were on course to finish 5th a lot of us were saying 'this is s***, it's not sustainable, we need to do things differently'. The next season we barely avoided relegation. When we were in that decent little spell before Christmas a few were lapping it up and spouting their usual s**** normally accompanied by a call to look at the league table. Some people can see further than just the current league position. We worry about the direction the club is going, the overall strategy (if there is one), the long term development of the club from the academy levels to the first team. If you're happy with what you see when you look at Newcastle United then all power to you. I'll never be happy with what i see with Ashley in charge. I've never budged from the fact he's the biggest c*** by a country mile. If you could have a situation where either Ashley stays long term and a new manager is hired, or a new owner comes in and Pardew remains in charge, i'd take the new owner all day long without question. The owners are the most important people at the club, not the players, not the manager. With the right ambition and with the right attitude, the owners can take your club wherever they dare to dream. Players/Managers however can always be restricted by the owner in charge, like is the case with us. Well you need to talk to trollboy then because he thinks the owner's doing ok and our squad is improving every year. I think he's just on the wind up, his avatar is taking the piss out of Ashley yet he's sticking up for him to the hilt on here...nahhhh i'm not having he's serious like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Don't think I am sticking up for him to the hilt at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Did trollemache just delete his post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Mentioned something about his support for Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Unfortunately I had a chuckle, was then momentarily distracted by someone and forgot what that gem was. Edit: Bloody hell, Loki and your deletes too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You carry on mate, it's fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 deleted my reply to his delete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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