Mole_Toonfan Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 22:43, bimpy474 said: Quote Quote Also were already one outfield player down with Simpson gone. Not bothered about that he was already replaced in January. And if Debuchy gets an injury, this is the sort thing the club should have learnt by now. Santon RB and Haidara LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 22:44, Sifu said: Quote Quote So I guess we're counting on the likes of Sammy and Fergie to be properly ready for the PL then? I'm sure their loan spells did them some good but if things go to s*** again and we throw them straight in amongst it again, can see their confidence dipping a bit. Expect some quotes from Pardew about how great they can be and its a big season for them. In fact he has already talked about how next year will be big for them and they got lots of experience from this year to grow. Six months earlier didn't he said they were far from ready, not to be relied on and in fact one of the main reasons we were where we were at Christmas. Guess 9 months will change every young player. That's the thing, I have no confidence in Pardew in nurturing the youth players - especially not after him having a go at them this season. I think Fergie can be a good squad player for us, it's tough, all of the younger players need to get a run of games but they won't get it here. Pardew will just make them worse if they improve anyways. We have Fergie, Inman, Vuckic, Tavernier, Sammy, Dummett, Richardson and Newton all around the same age where they have to be getting regular games and showing they have what it takes to make an impact here. I don't think we ever put enough faith in playing young players, or we just don't rate them, if its the latter why are they still here? Arguably Gosling, Obertan and Amalfitano are past this point but remain. Hopefully they will all be out on loan next year just so we can get a decent fee for some of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 22:54, Mike said: Quote Sammy's only here because of his useless brother, let's not pretend it's any different. You don't think he's got PL potential? Well, Jonas Gutierrez has been starting PL games for the best part of 5 years, so owt's possible. Don't see anything remotely exciting or impressive about him, though, other than looking somewhat like a Nigerian Peter Crouch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 22:52, midds said: A striker and a CB? That it? They haven't got a f***ing clue. It took Pardew 37 games to ensure survival which included buying him half a new team in January ffs. Adding just 2 quality players to this pool of players could be fine if the manager had a clue, but he hasn't. If they genuinely think that's enough to get through next season then they're retarded, spending big on players means nothing if the bloke who manages them hasn't got a clue. It's the epitome of false economy. "So how many players do you need Alan..." "..well following our end of season meeting you know depth was a big problem, I need at least four first teamers and a couple of squad players." "You can have two.'' "..I need four or five, the squad depth.." "..you can have two...and your job Alan." Perfect time for them to throw Pardew under the bus. He is powerless to do everything they ask, now they have given him a last chance as boss. FWIW there is no way we will just sign two players this summer. Closer to one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 22:59, Mike said: Not even as cover? I'd much rather he wasn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 23:04, Ronaldo said: Quote Quote Sammy's only here because of his useless brother, let's not pretend it's any different. You don't think he's got PL potential? Well, Jonas Gutierrez has been starting PL games for the best part of 5 years, so owt's possible. Don't see anything remotely exciting or impressive about him, though, other than looking somewhat like a Nigerian Peter Crouch. I don't know, I feel like he's improving. He's a poor man's Jonas atm, but I think there's a player in there. Maybe not an every day player, but a useful one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Ferguson is almost 22 and Sammy is 21 and they've started 9 league games between them. We'd be doing them a favour by releasing them. It really annoys me for some reason that players can get to that age and have barely no experience. A footballers career is far too short to be wasting years of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 23:04, Ronaldo said: Quote Quote Sammy's only here because of his useless brother, let's not pretend it's any different. You don't think he's got PL potential? Well, Jonas Gutierrez has been starting PL games for the best part of 5 years, so owt's possible. Don't see anything remotely exciting or impressive about him, though, other than looking somewhat like a Nigerian Peter Crouch. Like a lot of the youngsters they arrive on the scene and look exciting for the first few games.. I don't know whether its a coaching issue, a lazy relaxed impression that they have now made it, or just the facade of adrenaline induced skill and passion from their debuts wearing off. Ameobi looked exciting with the excuse of being raw when he first started featuring for us, he had pace, passion and workrate with some skills. He faded fast though. Like the above names I listed this is a make or break season for him. That said as Ronaldo mentions Gutierrez our coaching team don't seem to care too much about bad form or comfort in the squad effecting performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2013/06/03/61634-33419183/ Quote Quality assured is United policy NEWCASTLE United’s summer recruitment drive is likely to be limited to a striker and a central defender as the club takes a conscious decision to add quality rather than quantity this close season. United are yet to make an offer for any player – either in contract or out of contract – and believe their January business has given them some of the strength in depth that was missing earlier in the season. But a striker is the club’s top priority, along with a centre-back – even if they manage to keep hold of skipper Fabricio Coloccini. Like most Premier League clubs, Newcastle are in no rush to do business early and many senior figures at the club are currently away. There has been a flurry of speculation about the future of some of the club’s key men but there have been no enquiries from any interested suitors yet. Newcastle are prepared for enquiries for Hatem Ben Arfa, Yohan Cabaye and Papiss Cissé (pictured below) but are not in the mood to sell any of them unless they receive “game-changing offers” as they look for a vast improvement on last season’s 16th place. United are monitoring a number of other younger players, including Derby County’s Will Hughes, but any further movement is likely to depend on outgoings once again. There is no interest in Blackpool’s Tom Ince or Braga striker Eder, who is still injured. Departures are likely, but it is more likely to be fringe squad men who are following Danny Simpson and Steve Harper through the exit door with Newcastle prepared to listen for offers for the likes of Mike Williamson and midfielder Dan Gosling. They will also use pre-season to judge whether Sammy Ameobi, Shane Ferguson, James Tavernier and the returning Haris Vuckic have made enough progress to give them a chance of playing any part in the first-team squad. Middlesbrough are interested in taking Ameobi on loan again next season. It appears increasingly unlikely that Newcastle will move for St Etienne’s Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, once considered their number one summer striker target. They are ready to look elsewhere now, however, and Aubameyang did not mention Newcastle when he talked about the clubs that have opened discussions with him. Bayer Leverkusen, Borussia Dortmund and Swansea City were all name-checked by the Gabon international, but Newcastle’s interest – which mushroomed into two separate bids in January – has not been followed up this summer. “I have met with Rudi Völler (sporting director of Bayer Leverkusen) twice, but whether or not St Etienne accept the (Leverkusen’s) offer is a different matter,” he said. “Dortmund have been following me for more than a year now. I have met with Michael Laudrup and they (Swansea) have a good project, but I need Champions League (football) to progress.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Extremely depressing, if that ends up being true i expect absolutely nothing from next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Sounds a lot like last summer, we haven't learned a thing. Depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I don't think it means a thing, really. If they were after players they'd hardly go running to the media with it. That said, I don't expect much more than 2 decent-good players arriving for low prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 23:09, Jack Flash said: Ferguson is almost 22 and Sammy is 21 and they've started 9 league games between them. We'd be doing them a favour by releasing them. It really annoys me for some reason that players can get to that age and have barely no experience. A footballers career is far too short to be wasting years of it. You'd do well to find a club who uses the loan system as poor as us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Said before that I don't think we'll sign any one of any note and now they're already building a rod for their backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Not particularly arsed about that article, after we spent big (by our standards) in January there was never going to be a big outlay this summer as well. One or two first teamers and possibly replacements for any that leave, but nothing flamboyant. The summer will be as boring as fuck. They've already told us, the target is top half. Something we could have achieved on the final day last season. Why gamble more than the absolute minimum required? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I just hope we don't spend all summer trying to get Carroll only to end up with nobody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 23:56, Dave said: I just hope we don't spend all summer trying to get Carroll only to end up with nobody. This is going to be such a great summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I'm going to try and shut down my brain from football this summer for the first time since i was about 6 years old. Can't be arsed dealing with the shitstorm of a summer, much better things to do than hope we might do something positive to brighten my day. If the report is correct we won't even get top 10 i'm certain of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I'm in an optimism holding pattern until the manager is gone. We'll lose someone good before they pull the plug, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 On 02/06/2013 at 23:52, Dave said: They've already told us, the target is top half. Something we could have achieved on the final day last season. Why gamble more than the absolute minimum required? In this league, you have to invest just to stand still. I hope they realise that buying nobody will not even keep us where we are, and where we are is bloody sixteenth in the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 They better hope that several teams are inexplicably shitter than we are again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 If we signed Belhanda, Carroll and Ince. That would do me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 On 03/06/2013 at 00:07, aussiemag said: If we signed Belhanda, Carroll and Ince. That would do me. Report says striker and CB and said Ince isn't a target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Maybe just dampening expectations and tightening our bargaining position for players. We will sign more than two players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Glad the fraud is only limited to a pair of 6ft 4" beanpoles before he gets the push. One Carroll type striker and another lanky Williamson lookalike incoming. Zero service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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