Ishmael Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Europe and manageable debt, yeah. It's called ambition. Debt = fragility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'm sick of talking about profits, wage structures etc. I just see no ambition from this club where we should have a good sized transfer budget considering the crowds we pull in and the new tv deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Personally, i'd like 1st place year in year out, winning the champions league, no debt, a team of lads brought through the clubs youth system, a billion pound and a hover car. Or 7th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 No guarantee debt = any kind of success. We should be more ambitious though, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Would the extra money on Gomis put us in dent? erm no £22m + wages for Soldado would not put us in debt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Would the extra money on Gomis put us in dent? erm no How do you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 An isolated £8m signing is sure to put the 19th richest club in the world in debt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Would the extra money on Gomis put us in dent? erm no How do you know? The margins are fine and we apparently spent our summer bounty in January, and from our business so far that sounds pretty accurate. So yes, it easily could. Edit: The club were probably expecting one of Cabaye, Tiote, HBA or Cisse to leave and get them some funds in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Debt = harder to sell the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Man U are in crazy debt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Debt is fine as long as it's sustainable and not growing too quickly. TBH I think we're moving into the era where even borrowing won't be enough to get proper success. You'll need infinite wealth in the form of an oligarch or sheik etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 He wants rid of the club so why would he put money in it or take a loan? He can make a couple cheap signings and finish 13th or 15th. If in January it looks like we're in relegation battle then he invests. It's a risk worth taking from his point of view. Spend as little as possible to stay in the Premiership. For us the only thing to do is accept that this is what its going to be until he manages to sell the club. No ambition, nothing to look forward to in mid or long term. Just the next match and the possibility of a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'm more than happy with most of the players we have signed tbh, it's the ones we haven't that piss me off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Man U are in crazy debt Yet the banks don't give a shit because of the revenue. I'm all for managing our money but not at expense of the team and potential revenue income. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 September 3rd seems so far away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 September 2nd seems so far away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 September 2nd seems so far away. It's actually nearer than the 3rd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Debt in football is acceptable if you're earning bucket loads of revenue to pay it back in doses. Man U, Chelsea are in heaps of it but the banks are quite happy to let them get on with it as they know the money is coming back and with interest. We are debt free but that's basically it, our revenue is bleak. The money is there, it's just all Ashleys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 September 2nd seems so far away. It's actually nearer than the 3rd Yes. And the transfer window ends at 11pm on the 2nd. Other than that, it was a hilarious edit . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 What will happen to the likes oh Citeh, Chelski, Man Ure and the rest when these owners decide they had their fun and want out. Its fine clubs being play toys for the uber rich but owning a club that you love is different to it being a play thing. If these owners decide they want to be out abs recipe some of their investment then what will be left behind after that. Debt in football is nothing new and at one time was in no way frowned upon, but when clubs like say Leeds speculated to accumulate and blew it in a big way it started to be looked at more. If the aim of owning a club is not to have glory then what is ? but once these stupid rich fkers started buying clubs they left the have nots miles behind, there can be calculated risk in spending out of the clubs finances it does not have to lead to huge debts. Ashley is way way way to frugal, its caused a real problem in transfer dealings and really limits our scouting to bargain buys only, we have seen so many good players going to other clubs without breaking the bank. Swansea got Bony for £12m, we were interested until we seen the fee, I mean its not a crazy buy in footballing terms, how much did we think we could get him for ? Wold £12m spiral us into debt ? I very much doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 What will happen to the likes oh Citeh, Chelski, Man Ure and the rest when these owners decide they had their fun and want out. Its fine clubs being play toys for the uber rich but owning a club that you love is different to it being a play thing. If these owners decide they want to be out abs recipe some of their investment then what will be left behind after that. Debt in football is nothing new and at one time was in no way frowned upon, but when clubs like say Leeds speculated to accumulate and blew it in a big way it started to be looked at more. If the aim of owning a club is not to have glory then what is ? but once these stupid rich fkers started buying clubs they left the have nots miles behind, there can be calculated risk in spending out of the clubs finances it does not have to lead to huge debts. Ashley is way way way to frugal, its caused a real problem in transfer dealings and really limits our scouting to bargain buys only, we have seen so many good players going to other clubs without breaking the bank. Swansea got Bony for £12m, we were interested until we seen the fee, I mean its not a crazy buy in footballing terms, how much did we think we could get him for ? Wold £12m spiral us into debt ? I very much doubt it. In our case right now it's to sell the club. Which makes this whole debate about debt irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 The only thing we can hope for is maybe someone or another business is willing to pay Ashley his asking price, so they can get in on the new TV deal money. Then again, the new "owners" might have the same intentions as Ashley...Keep the club in the PL, keep that TV cash rolling in each time its renegotiated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 What will happen to the likes oh Citeh, Chelski, Man Ure and the rest when these owners decide they had their fun and want out. Its fine clubs being play toys for the uber rich but owning a club that you love is different to it being a play thing. If these owners decide they want to be out abs recipe some of their investment then what will be left behind after that. Debt in football is nothing new and at one time was in no way frowned upon, but when clubs like say Leeds speculated to accumulate and blew it in a big way it started to be looked at more. If the aim of owning a club is not to have glory then what is ? but once these stupid rich fkers started buying clubs they left the have nots miles behind, there can be calculated risk in spending out of the clubs finances it does not have to lead to huge debts. Ashley is way way way to frugal, its caused a real problem in transfer dealings and really limits our scouting to bargain buys only, we have seen so many good players going to other clubs without breaking the bank. Swansea got Bony for £12m, we were interested until we seen the fee, I mean its not a crazy buy in footballing terms, how much did we think we could get him for ? Wold £12m spiral us into debt ? I very much doubt it. In our case right now it's to sell the club. Which makes this whole debate about debt irrelevant. What makes you think Ashley is actively looking to sell the club? From what I can see he's trying to make the club self sustainable/profitable at all cost, providing him a "free" advertising platform in the most important/best viewed football league in the world for his primary business interest, and a chance to periodically grab the Geordies by the proverbial balls for the insults we directed at him. I would be delighted if he sold up, but I can't see it happening anytime soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Europe and manageable debt, yeah. It's called ambition. Debt = fragility. What a load of fucking bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Europe and manageable debt, yeah. It's called ambition. Debt = fragility. What a load of fucking bollocks. Debt = lots of lovely stuff to offset against tax, for one thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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