Papiss Cissé

[Rich]

Where aside from Wigan has that formation looked vulnerable?

 

Everton first half for example, where we were completely taken apart.

 

Yeah I suppose so, had totally forgotten our initial approach that night to be honest. The personnel was canny different to what was successful last season mind and the Marveaux ploy to stop Baines was abysmal.

 

Harper; Perch, Williamson, Taylor, Santon; Anita, Jonas; Marveaux, Cabaye, Ben Arfa; Cisse was the team.

 

Almost half of our usual starters missing, Ben Arfa playing on the other side and it was only really the right side where we suffered IIRC.

 

Think we've been equally as s**** or worse playing in different ways.

 

You should have seen the prematch thread from the moment the team news was out that day. Then that abysmal, abysmal first half, reverting to 442 at half time (with Ba coming on) and ultimately looking decent value for a draw based on our second half performance.

 

Edit: coincidentally, in that reply is one of the real reasons why we had a stop/start first half of the season. Just look at that back 5 FFS.

 

In regards to the edit, I thought the same but then went and looked at our line-ups for the "good" 4-3-3 matches from last season (the 6 games from Norwich-Stoke) and realised the team was constantly unsettled then too (and missing "big" players a lot of the time).

 

The defence for the 2-0 Liverpool win was Simpson, Williamson, Perch and Gutierrez

[ponsaelius]

The Liverpool home game was one of the best we've had for controlling the match. Apart from an iffy first few minutes, the balance of the front 6 and grip we had on the game meant the weak back 4 was never put under serious pressure.

[Unbelievable]

Remember Everton first half being essentially a 4-4-1-1. Marveaux deep on the right to counter Baines a completely disasterous (and negative) decision.

 

Knew people would claim that horrible experiment wasn't what they claim they want, but to be fair equally are we not playing a traditional 442 with 2 banks of four and 2 strikers up top much these last couple of weeks (i.e. in our run of losses). The reality is our problems run much deeper than simply sacrificing a midfield player for a winger.

 

Yep, the manager is s***

 

That's one way of looking at it. Another would be to say we're not bringing in the players that he wants/needs in order for him to play his preferred style of play (regardless of what we think about the aesthetics of that style of play). Why else bring in a striker who can only excel in a 433, and a defensive midfield player who thrives on possession based linkup play between the defensive players and the midfield/forward players, when he seemnigly wants to play a traditional English game with two banks of four and a little man/big man combo up front?

[Unbelievable]

Where aside from Wigan has that formation looked vulnerable?

 

Everton first half for example, where we were completely taken apart.

 

Yeah I suppose so, had totally forgotten our initial approach that night to be honest. The personnel was canny different to what was successful last season mind and the Marveaux ploy to stop Baines was abysmal.

 

Harper; Perch, Williamson, Taylor, Santon; Anita, Jonas; Marveaux, Cabaye, Ben Arfa; Cisse was the team.

 

Almost half of our usual starters missing, Ben Arfa playing on the other side and it was only really the right side where we suffered IIRC.

 

Think we've been equally as s**** or worse playing in different ways.

 

You should have seen the prematch thread from the moment the team news was out that day. Then that abysmal, abysmal first half, reverting to 442 at half time (with Ba coming on) and ultimately looking decent value for a draw based on our second half performance.

 

Edit: coincidentally, in that reply is one of the real reasons why we had a stop/start first half of the season. Just look at that back 5 FFS.

 

In regards to the edit, I thought the same but then went and looked at our line-ups for the "good" 4-3-3 matches from last season (the 6 games from Norwich-Stoke) and realised the team was constantly unsettled then too (and missing "big" players a lot of the time).

 

The defence for the 2-0 Liverpool win was Simpson, Williamson, Perch and Gutierrez

 

For the first 15 or so matches of last season though, where we laid the foundations for our excellent season, we had a settled back five.

[Hanshithispantz]

Why take on a job and then sign a new 8 year contract if the club are actively signing players you don't want/cannot use?

 

Pardew is completely to blame if that is the case, like.

[ponsaelius]

Remember Everton first half being essentially a 4-4-1-1. Marveaux deep on the right to counter Baines a completely disasterous (and negative) decision.

 

Knew people would claim that horrible experiment wasn't what they claim they want, but to be fair equally are we not playing a traditional 442 with 2 banks of four and 2 strikers up top much these last couple of weeks (i.e. in our run of losses). The reality is our problems run much deeper than simply sacrificing a midfield player for a winger.

 

Yep, the manager is s***

 

That's one way of looking at it. Another would be to say we're not bringing in the players that he wants/needs in order for him to play his preferred style of play (regardless of what we think about the aesthetics of that style of play). Why else bring in a striker who can only excel in a 433, and a defensive midfield player who thrives on possession based linkup play between the defensive players and the midfield/forward players, when he seemnigly wants to play a traditional English game with two banks of four and a little man/big man combo up front?

 

To be honest, if the long term tactical aim from Pardew is what you've suggested (and many suspect) then I really do want him gone. We will never consistently achieve anything tangible playing like that even with the players needed to make it work. The glass ceiling for that is what O'Neill achieved with Villa.

[Unbelievable]

Why take on a job and then sign a new 8 year contract if the club are actively signing players you don't want/cannot use?

 

Pardew is completely to blame if that is the case, like.

 

Pardew cannot win. Let me ask you: do you work? If so, is everything in your job exactly how you want it? If not, why haven't you walked yet?

[Unbelievable]

Remember Everton first half being essentially a 4-4-1-1. Marveaux deep on the right to counter Baines a completely disasterous (and negative) decision.

 

Knew people would claim that horrible experiment wasn't what they claim they want, but to be fair equally are we not playing a traditional 442 with 2 banks of four and 2 strikers up top much these last couple of weeks (i.e. in our run of losses). The reality is our problems run much deeper than simply sacrificing a midfield player for a winger.

 

Yep, the manager is s***

 

That's one way of looking at it. Another would be to say we're not bringing in the players that he wants/needs in order for him to play his preferred style of play (regardless of what we think about the aesthetics of that style of play). Why else bring in a striker who can only excel in a 433, and a defensive midfield player who thrives on possession based linkup play between the defensive players and the midfield/forward players, when he seemnigly wants to play a traditional English game with two banks of four and a little man/big man combo up front?

 

To be honest, if the long term tactical aim from Pardew is what you've suggested (and many suspect) then I really do want him gone. We will never consistently achieve anything tangible playing like that even with the players needed to make it work. The glass ceiling for that is what O'Neill achieved with Villa.

 

We beat that last season 6 months ago..

[Jack Flash]

Why take on a job and then sign a new 8 year contract if the club are actively signing players you don't want/cannot use?

 

Pardew is completely to blame if that is the case, like.

 

Pardew cannot win. Let me ask you: do you work? If so, is everything in your job exactly how you want it? If not, why haven't you walked yet?

 

A manager usually hires their own staff in the real world but Pardew knew exactly what he was getting into before he joined so I've little sympathy for him in this regard.

[ponsaelius]

Remember Everton first half being essentially a 4-4-1-1. Marveaux deep on the right to counter Baines a completely disasterous (and negative) decision.

 

Knew people would claim that horrible experiment wasn't what they claim they want, but to be fair equally are we not playing a traditional 442 with 2 banks of four and 2 strikers up top much these last couple of weeks (i.e. in our run of losses). The reality is our problems run much deeper than simply sacrificing a midfield player for a winger.

 

Yep, the manager is s***

 

That's one way of looking at it. Another would be to say we're not bringing in the players that he wants/needs in order for him to play his preferred style of play (regardless of what we think about the aesthetics of that style of play). Why else bring in a striker who can only excel in a 433, and a defensive midfield player who thrives on possession based linkup play between the defensive players and the midfield/forward players, when he seemnigly wants to play a traditional English game with two banks of four and a little man/big man combo up front?

 

To be honest, if the long term tactical aim from Pardew is what you've suggested (and many suspect) then I really do want him gone. We will never consistently achieve anything tangible playing like that even with the players needed to make it work. The glass ceiling for that is what O'Neill achieved with Villa.

 

We beat that last season 6 months ago..

 

Largely because of the individual brilliance of players like Ben Arfa (players who don't fit into that system in the slightest).

 

We're also now fighting a relegation battle, hence 'consistently achieve'.

[Hanshithispantz]

Why take on a job and then sign a new 8 year contract if the club are actively signing players you don't want/cannot use?

 

Pardew is completely to blame if that is the case, like.

 

Pardew cannot win. Let me ask you: do you work? If so, is everything in your job exactly how you want it? If not, why haven't you walked yet?

I got layed off about a month ago

 

That was a fucking awful comparison though, Christ, even if I hated my job (which I didn't really) I'm not in a position at the moment where I could have just happily walked and my job wasn't of such importance that the company could potentially deteriorate if I fuck up.

 

You expect the manager of any business to step down if he isn't the right man for the job.

[Mick]

 

 

To be honest, if the long term tactical aim from Pardew is what you've suggested (and many suspect) then I really do want him gone. We will never consistently achieve anything tangible playing like that even with the players needed to make it work. The glass ceiling for that is what O'Neill achieved with Villa.

 

You mention O'Neill, at half time on Saturday he had the mackems above us in the league and he's been slaughtered on here for being shite.

[Cronky]

We have to take into account the fact that Ba and Cisse were competing for the main striker role, and Ba has won that battle. In fact, he won it before a ball had been kicked this season, with Pardew going out of his way to please him so he wouldn't walk.

 

So Cisse has had two psychological blows to overcome - firstly that of being number 2, and secondly the feeling that's it's all been unfair. If confidence plays a big part in finishing, it's no wonder that he's not at his best, even when the chances come along (which of course isn't as often, given his change of role).

[Guest neesy111]

Why take on a job and then sign a new 8 year contract if the club are actively signing players you don't want/cannot use?

 

Pardew is completely to blame if that is the case, like.

 

Pardew cannot win. Let me ask you: do you work? If so, is everything in your job exactly how you want it? If not, why haven't you walked yet?

 

He's the manager of a football team.  Completely different.

[Dr Venkman]

I don't really know what you mean by his fault though?

 

Not sure why he won't answer this question.

Should we sacrifice results whilst he regains his form.

 

What is this shit?

[Guest neesy111]

CissePapiss: Sometimes frustration is bad, I respect my manager&his decisions! Great win 4 the club & let's hope we can do the same in the next 2big game

[taxfree]

I don't really know what you mean by his fault though?

 

Not sure why he won't answer this question.

Should we sacrifice results whilst he regains his form.

 

What is this s***?

 

It's unbelievable.

[magorific]

 

 

To be honest, if the long term tactical aim from Pardew is what you've suggested (and many suspect) then I really do want him gone. We will never consistently achieve anything tangible playing like that even with the players needed to make it work. The glass ceiling for that is what O'Neill achieved with Villa.

 

You mention O'Neill, at half time on Saturday he had the mackems above us in the league and he's been slaughtered on here for being s****.

 

But how much did he get to spend this summer?

[Mick]

 

But how much did he get to spend this summer?

 

Are you only a shit manager if you've spent a certain amount of money?

[Unbelievable]

We have to take into account the fact that Ba and Cisse were competing for the main striker role, and Ba has won that battle. In fact, he won it before a ball had been kicked this season, with Pardew going out of his way to please him so he wouldn't walk.

 

So Cisse has had two psychological blows to overcome - firstly that of being number 2, and secondly the feeling that's it's all been unfair. If confidence plays a big part in finishing, it's no wonder that he's not at his best, even when the chances come along (which of course isn't as often, given his change of role).

 

People complain about Pardew being a 442 merchant and then come out with this sort of shit when it suits them..

[Interpolic]

What do you mean?

[Unbelievable]

I don't really know what you mean by his fault though?

 

Not sure why he won't answer this question.

Should we sacrifice results whilst he regains his form.

 

What is this s***?

 

It's unbelievable.

 

Funny, the person that was aimed at understood what I meant. Maybe that statement in the context of the rest of the post had a slightly different meaning..? Nothing like taking a few words out of context to make yourself look smart. Keep it up lads..

[Unbelievable]

What do you mean?

 

The main striker role in a 442. As far as excuses being made for his failings this season, that has got to be the funniest yet..

[themanupstairs]

What do you mean?

 

The main striker role in a 442. As far as excuses being made for his failings this season, that has got to be the funniest yet..

 

Why is your view of football so rigid? You still haven't answered what you think the reason for his "failings" is? Is he an impostor? Is he turboshit? Is his heart not in it? Has his head been turned by another club? Is he now full of himself acting the billy big bollocks?

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

Why are you being so pretentious? "Excuses", what excuses? He's had a clear dip in form and people are trying to come up with reasons why, they aren't excuses.

 

It's not like there has been any reports of him not pulling his weight in training, or he isn't applying himself on the pitch, there are clearly other reasons for his dip in form. I don't necessarily think it's all Pardew's fault, that would be harsh, but at the moment it is as he's playing him on the fucking wing.