Jack Flash Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 As if Ba's just a "box predator" ffs. He's a far more rounded striker than Cisse despite not being very rounded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JToon7 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 The only player Ba ever brought into play was himself. Scored plenty though so people were happy to overlook his greedyness. The amount of times a move would break down just because he'd shoot instead of playing a pass to someone in a better position, was ridiculous. It was great when he was scoring and we were winning , but it p*ssed me off big time when we were chasing games. He was all about the personal glory IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 You'll like this one Jon, I still think it's mainly Ba's fault that Cisse is out of form. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Ba was brilliant at converting awkward balls in though, take his goal against man u at home, can't think of many strikers who could do that Aye he was very good at feeding off very little ( basically scraps) but his all round play wasn't any better than Cisse's . Neither of them have much all round game to write home about which is why the partnership never worked. Hopefully Gouffran-Cisse-Ben Arfa can work better and any extra depth we may or may not get in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 You'll like this one Jon, I still think it's mainly Ba's fault that Cisse is out of form. Sorry. Will add it to the list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 What a puzzling response. Genuinely don't understand why you're on his back a lot compared to others. Especially seeing as you're probably the one poster on here in the past who has went over the top in their own defence of our own players. As I said he is turning it around, that is something I have always maintained he would do as well. It's the excuses though, maybe it's because I have defended players in the past that makes them really stick out but from greedy Ba, being played out of position, no service, he's not that sort of player (when apparently Ba was too similar hence them not working), 4-4-2 doesn't suit him etc.. Maybe he is just struggling for form a little? Maybe he is missing chances he could have done better with? You must admit he is pretty untouchable on here at times? Spot on. We all hope he silences the critics sooner rather than later for the good of the club we all support. It's just he's not been in good form since the beginning of pre-season, and whilst others in the same situation get loads of stick on here, Cisse gets endless excuses made for him. The simple fact is he's not pulled his weight this season in terms of chance creation and conversion, and he needs to turn it around sharpish. "Others" have never shown any genuine kind of quality though. I'm honestly struggling to understand your point here, everyone will agree he is off form, were just saying he's clearly a far better striker than his stats will show this season and be will prove it. You seems to be suggesting that he's just shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 What a puzzling response. Genuinely don't understand why you're on his back a lot compared to others. Especially seeing as you're probably the one poster on here in the past who has went over the top in their own defence of our own players. As I said he is turning it around, that is something I have always maintained he would do as well. It's the excuses though, maybe it's because I have defended players in the past that makes them really stick out but from greedy Ba, being played out of position, no service, he's not that sort of player (when apparently Ba was too similar hence them not working), 4-4-2 doesn't suit him etc.. Maybe he is just struggling for form a little? Maybe he is missing chances he could have done better with? You must admit he is pretty untouchable on here at times? Spot on. We all hope he silences the critics sooner rather than later for the good of the club we all support. It's just he's not been in good form since the beginning of pre-season, and whilst others in the same situation get loads of stick on here, Cisse gets endless excuses made for him. The simple fact is he's not pulled his weight this season in terms of chance creation and conversion, and he needs to turn it around sharpish. "Others" have never shown any genuine kind of quality though. I'm honestly struggling to understand your point here, everyone will agree he is off form, were just saying he's clearly a far better striker than his stats will show this season and be will prove it. You seems to be suggesting that he's just s***. I'm not suggesting he's shit at all, I'm suggesting he can do far better than he currently is, and that's why I am frustrated/criticising. For me the fact he is capable of doing so much better makes his prolonged loss of form more frustrating, not less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 "The lack of service" stuff is annoying. Ba managed to score goals with this lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think he's can be a quality player but this season he's been shit. And it's mostly his own fault. Not scoring. Not really benefiting the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 "The lack of service" stuff is annoying. Ba managed to score goals with this lot. Different kind of striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think he'll get off having a fairly shit season as we've been hoofing, displacing him and isolated him for the best part of it. In his favoured position, with movement around him and the power of Sissoko to play off - he should score goals. Needs to prove his worth long term. I think he will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 "The lack of service" stuff is annoying. Ba managed to score goals with this lot. Back half of last season he didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Just had a Spurs fan who was at the game come and speak to me and say that he was incredibly impressed with Cisse's workrate and hold up play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 As if Ba's just a "box predator" ffs. He's a far more rounded striker than Cisse despite not being very rounded. Can't agree with that at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 "The lack of service" stuff is annoying. Ba managed to score goals with this lot. Back half of last season he didn't. That's excuse 1.2 though, playing out of position. When started central Ba's goalscoring ratio was ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Looking forward to when he hits a couple of goals a game for two or three games, and we can stop talking about whether he's doing enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ba's gone though. There really is no point in bringing him into it anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 People re-write history quite a bit, Ba was a top striker but not condusive to overall beautiful play. If people were asked to recall our best period last season (in terms of enjoyment and excitement of games) it would be the Feb-April period with the 4-2-3-1. We accumulated alot of points at the start but it was not free-flowing. To say Ba was greedy is a weird one to me, as most of the time he was playing alone upfront or with Shola...he was a better target man than Cisse but Cisse in theory should suit our style more now. Kinda pivots on Yo Cabs' form for me. Dat pass vs Stoke at home last season for Cisse... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Aye, one that's not scoring. A different type of striker would be an all-rounder or maybe a playmaker forward. Cisse's a goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Looking forward to when he hits a couple of goals a game for two or three games, and we can stop talking about whether he's doing enough. I think we can all agree on that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Looking forward to when he hits a couple of goals a game for two or three games, and we can stop talking about whether he's doing enough. Theres no doubt the goals'll come again when the team are more free flowing. Just hope he gets a few between now and end of season. We NEED them. We're still in the sh*t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Would love for him to get the nod for both of our Europa games and destroy Mentalist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 "The lack of service" stuff is annoying. Ba managed to score goals with this lot. Back half of last season he didn't. That's excuse 1.2 though, playing out of position. When started central Ba's goalscoring ratio was ridiculous. He played central back half of last season too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ba played wide left for 5-6 games last season not half a season... his form at end of last season had f*ck all to do with playing wide left. His form was down to physically and mentally struggling due to AFCON and playing a lot and after the penalty miss against Sunderland which seemed to effect him a lot. If you look back a lot of African players struggled for form after AFCON last season through out the PL, Cisse was one of the few exemptions. Cisse struggled for a lot of this season for well documented reasons but i believe his form has picked up in last 6-7 games. His general play has improved a lot compared to rest of season but his finishing has been poor but at least he's getting into positions now. I would rather strikers get into positions and miss than never get into positions to begin with. Anyway i'm quite confident his form will pick up again, he isn't the 13 in 14 striker he was when he arrived but he's much better than this too.... His record for Senegal is 11 in 22 and his record in Germany was 37 in 65.... with records like that it suggests he's not a bad striker but just being misused ( for majority of season) and out of form as far as his finishing goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I've probably been a little bit overly harsh on Cisse after that Spurs game. In hindsight, and having seen a couple of replays, the header from the Colo cross wasn't exactly a sitter. Still believe he should have at least hit the target, and in the context of other big misses recently I was annoyed at that attempt, but it would have been a fantastic finish had he scored. After some reflection, I think I'm more annoyed by that run on the break with Sissoko, where he basically got in Moussa's way instead of using the space to their left to create space for both of them (dragging one or two defenders wide) and give Sissoko an option other than dribbling into the pack. Seemed to me like he was just running towards goal in a straight line unintelligently regardless of where Sissoko was obviously going. What's the point of staying within a few yards of the man dribbling with the ball when there's lots of space to the side? I genuinely hope he gets a few goals soon, as his confidence seems absolutely shot and it's affecting his decision making and ability to finish. He's the main striker now, and if we want to pull away from the relegation scrap and move up the table, a large responsibility now lies at his feet to create and score the goals that win us matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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