Papiss Cissé

[Gallowgate Toon]

"6 goals is about right". Bullshit.

 

Considering the complete lack of service to him, I'm afraid it is, like I said, over the season I bet he has had less than a chance a game. You don't find many strikers like Ba who can get so much out of so little. You want Cisse to get goals, give him some openings by getting some movement going on around him and give him some service, like the vast majority of strikers out there.

[Beren]

One of those was a Sammy shot fired off his arse btw. Normally there'd be no point quibbling over a goal here or there, but when that's 16.7% of your league goals...

[NG32]

Alot of creative players were missing for a lot of the season, he was pushed out to the right to accomidate BA and Shola (at times), been supplied with very little to work off.  Its been a shit season, we've been shit over all apart from the odd good half of football.  He does snatch at things and does get caught offside but tbh who wouldn't be eager to put the ball in the net, especially when you know your having a bad season.

[Wullie]

He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko.

[NG32]

I can only recal the Villa away game, where we actually played him in on goal.  Which he scored.

[Gallowgate Toon]

He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko.

 

Says it all. Those first couple of months I really felt for him, he just didn't get a sniff. Ba's gone but we still expect the same results from a completely different player, we've got to play to his strengths more.

[Mole_Toonfan]

He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko.

 

Bloody hell its worse than i thought, although that isn't just a creativity thing that is also due to poor movement IMO.

 

His movement off the ball is nowhere near at the level it was last season, which i can only put down to confidence.

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Not as good as we thought he was, simple as that, the sooner people stop making excuses and accept this, the better.

[Cajun]

He's just having a poor season imo.

 

The excuses do ironically make him sound worse and worse though.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Not as good as we thought he was, simple as that, the sooner people stop making excuses and accept this, the better.

 

That is rubbish though tbf, he was scoring goals like it was something to do in Germany.

 

Ok he's not a 13 in 14 striker but he's not a 6 in 26 striker either.

[Deuce]

Not as good as we thought he was, simple as that, the sooner people stop making excuses and accept this, the better.

 

Disagree. He's consistently scored at every place he's landed. I doubt he'll ever be a 25+ goal scorer for us, but he should be good for 15+ a year.

[Flip]

The thing is he is getting 2-3 chances a game, it's all about confidence. Not the best striker in the world, but he's extremely unselfish in his way of playing even if he sometimes prefers to shoot than pass the ball.

[Unbelievable]

He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko.

 

Says it all. Those first couple of months I really felt for him, he just didn't get a sniff. Ba's gone but we still expect the same results from a completely different player, we've got to play to his strengths more.

 

I don't mean to be funny, but what exactly are his strengths, except for scoring wonder goals from outside of the area? I think earlier in the season people were correct in pointing to the fact that he probably is a lone forward in a 433 rather than a support striker, and hence didn't work well with Ba unfortunately. However, we've long since changed to his preferred system, and still he hasn't really scored enough goals yet for a lone forward of a team with European aspirations. In my opinion his general contribution to our play isn't good enough either to make his lack of goalscoring acceptable, i.e. he's not creating chances for himself or others sufficiently. At this point, I hope he finds his goalscoring boots before the end of the season, or I would be looking for a replacement in the summer rather than a better deputy than Shola to provide some pressure.

[NG32]

He has two shots per game on average, which is significantly less than most other strikers. Ba's is around 4.5 while Suarez is nearly 6. It's less than both Cabaye and Ben Arfa as well as Gouffran and Sissoko.

 

Says it all. Those first couple of months I really felt for him, he just didn't get a sniff. Ba's gone but we still expect the same results from a completely different player, we've got to play to his strengths more.

 

I don't mean to be funny, but what exactly are his strengths, except for scoring wonder goals from outside of the area? I think earlier in the season people were correct in pointing to the fact that he probably is a lone forward in a 433 rather than a support striker, and hence didn't work well with Ba unfortunately. However, we've long since changed to his preferred system, and still he hasn't really scored enough goals yet for a lone forward of a team with European aspirations. In my opinion his general contribution to our play isn't good enough either to make his lack of goalscoring acceptable, i.e. he's not creating chances for himself or others sufficiently. At this point, I hope he finds his goalscoring boots before the end of the season, or I would be looking for a replacement in the summer rather than a better deputy than Shola to provide some pressure.

 

We've only just switched to that system since we bought Gouffran, supporting him we now have Gouffran, Sissoko, Cabaye, Santon and Debuchy, with HBA waiting in the wings. 

 

Its going to take time get get that functioning.  Our season has been a big jumble dup pile of shit. And I think he has suffered badly under it.

[Hanshithispantz]

He has a better than 1-in-2 record since 2009, his strength is scoring goals.

 

 

[Interpolic]

He's got 2 goals in 5 league starts since the new players came in, and should have had a couple of cup goals but for some awful officiating.

 

I think he'll be alright and will score at least 1 in 2 for the rest of the season.  Could do with another Gouffran type mind, it's daft that our "forward line" includes Jonas.

[NG32]

He's got 2 goals in 5 league starts since the new players came in, and should have had a couple of cup goals but for some awful officiating.

 

I think he'll be alright and will score at the least 1 in 2 for the rest of the season.  Could do with another Gouffran type mind, it's daft that our "forward line" includes Jonas.

 

Aye, once HBA is up and running I would keep Jonas for the subs bence and bring him on to close games out/hold the ball up.

[Gallowgate Toon]

It's more than just a system Unbelievable, it's about playing to his strengths while in that system. He's getting very little service, as Wullie pointed out. It did improve initially after the new signings but over the last couple of games he's again had very little to work with. Our crossing is abysmal on the whole, he's had little in the way of passes behind defence all season. Where the hell is he supposed to get goals from?

 

2 shots a game for a striker is horrific, and people wonder why he's not getting more goals. Let's not agree with facts though, that's simply an excuse. Just on a sidenote, he and Ba have around the same conversion rate this year.

[Cajun]

He's got 2 goals in 5 league starts since the new players came in, and should have had a couple of cup goals but for some awful officiating.

 

I think he'll be alright and will score at least 1 in 2 for the rest of the season.  Could do with another Gouffran type mind, it's daft that our "forward line" includes Jonas.

 

When HBA comes back

[Interpolic]

Plus, I can't say I saw much of Cisse before he joined us but I did watch a few of those compilation things and there's no way he's only scored spectacular goals over the course of his career.  Thought we were getting an Andy Cole style fox-in-the-box when we signed him, looked every bit a great short-range finisher above all else.

 

They didn't show him missing the target and being 4 miles offside on these videos though.

[Unbelievable]

So nobody has been able to answer my question about what specific strengths he has, that we are not playing too, except for pointing to his number of shots as some form of evidence that we are not creating enough chances for him? Look, I don't need pointing out that we aren't exactly Brazil when it comes to creating chances, but neither do I think we are much worse than other teams in the league, and chance creation is as much something strikers contribute to actively as something that is done for them. From the statistics that Rich posted a couple of weeks ago his chance conversion was way below last season's and other top strikers. I don't even need to look at stats to know he's not brilliant at holding the ball up and creating chances for others. So I ask again, if indeed Cisse's disappointing season is a consequence of his team mates not doing their job well enough rather than he himself failing, how exactly should his team mates provide better service by playing to his strengths? Ping it high to him to hold it up, play through balls for him to beat the offside trap, make him work the channels, play crosses in from the sides? For me, based on what I've seen in the season and a bit he has been with us he scores the spectacular where he doesn't need to think and can just put his foot through it. Whilst these goals obviously look fantastic, it's pretty damn hard to base your gameplan around one of them happening every forthnight if you ask me.

[Parky]

Bit of an intuitive finisher rather than a methodical one. Hit and miss in other words. Can be frustrating as he seems the type that will get goals in gluts with periods of less prodcutivity.

[Interpolic]

He looked a smashing player when we played 3 up top last season, his all-round game was unquestionably very good IMO.  This idea that he can only score spectacular goals is rubbish as well, he's an instinctive finisher which will often have you wondering "How did he do that?" but he can score any type of goal including tap-ins and easy chances.  I've still got every faith in him, he/we could do with some genuine competition for his place though.  Has had a bad time of it but he'll be OK.

[Parky]

He looked a smashing player when we played 3 up top last season, his all-round game was unquestionably very good IMO.  This idea that he can only score spectacular goals is rubbish as well, he's an instinctive finisher which will often have you wondering "How did he do that?" but he can score any type of goal including tap-ins and easy chances.  I've still got every faith in him, he/we could do with some genuine competition for his place though.  Has had a bad time of it but he'll be OK.

 

Think he'll be alright in the long run. Needs to just sometimes not smash it.

[Interpolic]

Bit of an intuitive finisher rather than a methodical one. Hit and miss in other words. Can be frustrating as he seems the type that will get goals in gluts with periods of less prodcutivity.

 

My main worry is that he's not the type to grab a team by the scruff of the neck and lead from the front in a struggling side, but he just doesn't seem that type of player.  If we can go on a winning run again then I'm confident he'll play his part in it, chipping in with goals and intelligent all-round play and movement.