Papiss Cissé

[Guest icemanblue]

'... to discuss Wonga shirt issue with NUFC' - Where's that from?

 

The BBC, Mirror, Daily Mail etc.

 

I'd only seen the Ryder tweets.

[Dokko]

I just think Cisse would put in a transfer request if he wanted to go, rather than go through this nightmare-ish legal/ethical process. What would be the point? If a player wants to leave, he puts in a transfer request (or ask his agent to start pimping him around in the press).

 

I don't know which part of the Islamic ethical code the Wonga deal goes against. What does his gambling have anything to do with anything? How is that exploiting the poor?

 

Well its stupid because he wore a bank sponsor last season... anyway until there are actual quotes from cisse this is probably bullshit

 

That just doesn't hold any water for me. I wouldn't put banks and Wonga in the same category, certainly not from an ethical point of view.

 

If it's on religious ground then they are the same, it's the interest earned regardless of how much.

[Deuce]

 

 

Think your reaction is completely over the top given we know very little.

 

And there it is.

[Dave]

Let him wear it blank if he's willing to take a pay cut. I it means that much to him he would but he's probably too busy in aspers.

 

Anyone got those pics? Time to start making them do the rounds.

 

Why would you do that?

 

To show the world he's a hypocritical c*** and all we've ever done at this club is be accommodating for every belief and religion going.

 

He's an absolute arsehole to make a big deal out of this and it's simply down to either he wants to move or wants more money.

 

Wouldn't be so bad if he could hit a barn door from 5 yards.

 

Because the fans turning on him would be really conducive to his happiness and squad morale...

 

Think your reaction is completely over the top given we know very little. For all we know he could have raised his objections back when the Wonga deal was announced and it has only come out now because the issue has been ignored by the club. He strikes me as the least likely of all our players to use an issue like this to engineer a move. Also, there's clearly a difference between personal gambling and what could be perceived as exploitation of the poor and/or pure theft in the eyes of Muslims.

 

Just think you should try and stick by the player, especially someone like cisse who has shown nothing but adoration for the club-and fans particularly- since he arrived.

 

Must be the third or fourth time I've posted this. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-face-wonga-deal-revolt-1370793

[The College Dropout]

While I do think he's right to make a stand and not want to wear it, I do think he's trying to engineer a move.

 

A lot of people commit adultery but they wouldn't want to wear a shirt that promotes it so I don't understand the hypocrisy angle. As a religious person - being a sinner isn't a reason to stand up for what you believe in.

 

I would be more disappointed in Cisse if he's using this as an excuse to leave. If he's honest about his stand - I approve.

[Dokko]

Let him wear it blank if he's willing to take a pay cut. I it means that much to him he would but he's probably too busy in aspers.

 

Anyone got those pics? Time to start making them do the rounds.

 

Why would you do that?

 

To show the world he's a hypocritical c*** and all we've ever done at this club is be accommodating for every belief and religion going.

 

He's an absolute arsehole to make a big deal out of this and it's simply down to either he wants to move or wants more money.

 

Wouldn't be so bad if he could hit a barn door from 5 yards.

 

Because the fans turning on him would be really conducive to his happiness and squad morale...

 

Think your reaction is completely over the top given we know very little. For all we know he could have raised his objections back when the Wonga deal was announced and it has only come out now because the issue has been ignored by the club. He strikes me as the least likely of all our players to use an issue like this to engineer a move. Also, there's clearly a difference between personal gambling and what could be perceived as exploitation of the poor and/or pure theft in the eyes of Muslims.

 

Just think you should try and stick by the player, especially someone like cisse who has shown nothing but adoration for the club-and fans particularly- since he arrived.

 

Gambling is far worse.

[Deuce]

How would a shirt promote adultery?

 

Photoshop wizards, get on it.

[Skirge]

Was he not on the planet when all this started, did he not voice an opinion then, he is not the only Muslim player we have how do the others feel about it ?

[David Icke - Son of God]

Wonga is a toilet of a company. They prey on the vulnerable. It's not on the same level as gambling/your regular high street bank. Having a moral objection to it doesn't make you a hypocrite unless you own and operate a pay day loan company yourself.

 

Some of our fans need to get a grip tbh.

[colinmk]

If he feels strongly about it then of course he should raise it, it's up the club to sort it out now. They chose to seek sponsorship from a company like Wonga and this is the kind of problem a scumbag company like that will attract.

[Dave]

I don't see it as an exit strategy or means of getting more money like, he seems like a pretty genuine guy to me and appears to like it here. I think that's unnecessarily cynical.

 

Which is really going some, coming from me.

[tgarve]

I just think Cisse would put in a transfer request if he wanted to go, rather than go through this nightmare-ish legal/ethical process. What would be the point? If a player wants to leave, he puts in a transfer request (or ask his agent to start pimping him around in the press).

 

I don't know which part of the Islamic ethical code the Wonga deal goes against. What does his gambling have anything to do with anything? How is that exploiting the poor?

 

Well its stupid because he wore a bank sponsor last season... anyway until there are actual quotes from cisse this is probably bullshit

 

That just doesn't hold any water for me. I wouldn't put banks and Wonga in the same category, certainly not from an ethical point of view.

 

Banks lend money, Wonga lends money. Wonga can lend money to people with a lower credit rating as its short term. Banks are more responsible in lending but sometimes people are left with no choice as it saves them money with Wonga rather than dd charges etc.

 

Agree its bad for vunerable people but then any sort of 'vice' sponser i.e. gambling/alcohol would fall into this category

[The College Dropout]

Wonga is a toilet of a company. They prey on the vulnerable. It's not on the same level as gambling/your regular high street bank. Having a moral objection to it doesn't make you a hypocrite unless you own and operate a pay day loan company yourself.

 

Some of our fans need to get a grip tbh.

 

This.

 

 

[Guest neesy111]

Wonga is a toilet of a company. They prey on the vulnerable. It's not on the same level as gambling/your regular high street bank. Having a moral objection to it doesn't make you a hypocrite unless you own and operate a pay day loan company yourself.

 

Some of our fans need to get a grip tbh.

 

[Stifler]

I just think Cisse would put in a transfer request if he wanted to go, rather than go through this nightmare-ish legal/ethical process. What would be the point? If a player wants to leave, he puts in a transfer request (or ask his agent to start pimping him around in the press).

 

I don't know which part of the Islamic ethical code the Wonga deal goes against. What does his gambling have anything to do with anything? How is that exploiting the poor?

 

Well its stupid because he wore a bank sponsor last season... anyway until there are actual quotes from cisse this is probably bullshit

 

That just doesn't hold any water for me. I wouldn't put banks and Wonga in the same category, certainly not from an ethical point of view.

 

If it's on religious ground then they are the same, it's the interest earned regardless of how much.

As explained before banks like Virgin money offer no interest loans to muslims.

[toontenacity]

Let him wear it blank if he's willing to take a pay cut. I it means that much to him he would but he's probably too busy in aspers.

 

Anyone got those pics? Time to start making them do the rounds.

 

Why would you do that?

 

To show the world he's a hypocritical c*** and all we've ever done at this club is be accommodating for every belief and religion going.

 

He's an absolute arsehole to make a big deal out of this and it's simply down to either he wants to move or wants more money.

 

Wouldn't be so bad if he could hit a barn door from 5 yards.

 

Because the fans turning on him would be really conducive to his happiness and squad morale...

 

Think your reaction is completely over the top given we know very little. For all we know he could have raised his objections back when the Wonga deal was announced and it has only come out now because the issue has been ignored by the club. He strikes me as the least likely of all our players to use an issue like this to engineer a move. Also, there's clearly a difference between personal gambling and what could be perceived as exploitation of the poor and/or pure theft in the eyes of Muslims.

 

Just think you should try and stick by the player, especially someone like cisse who has shown nothing but adoration for the club-and fans particularly- since he arrived.

 

Gambling is far worse.

 

Islam is one of the least transparent religions so it's perfectly feasible that his interpretation is that gambling is a personal decision and his infrequent gambling harms nobody, whilst a burgeoning payday loans industry is regularly screwing people over, often the most vulnerable people. Dont agree that him gambling occasionally makes him a hypocrites, totally different IMO.

[Skirge]

Its may not be as bad as gambling to us but surely if he is such a devoted Muslim to have an issue with wearing a Wonga sponsored shirt then he would/should also have a real issue towards gambling?

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Have no major issues with Wonga myself if you don't want to pay the interest don't use the company in the first place, I've used them many times when I've been short, the interest is ridiculous but that's what you very clearly sign up for.

 

This will be bullshit in my opinion, he probably hasn't said a thing.

[toontenacity]

Wonga is a toilet of a company. They prey on the vulnerable. It's not on the same level as gambling/your regular high street bank. Having a moral objection to it doesn't make you a hypocrite unless you own and operate a pay day loan company yourself.

 

Some of our fans need to get a grip tbh.

 

This, would be nice for our fans to show some support for one of our most loyal players at least until we know all the details and the consequences.

[tgarve]

I just think Cisse would put in a transfer request if he wanted to go, rather than go through this nightmare-ish legal/ethical process. What would be the point? If a player wants to leave, he puts in a transfer request (or ask his agent to start pimping him around in the press).

 

I don't know which part of the Islamic ethical code the Wonga deal goes against. What does his gambling have anything to do with anything? How is that exploiting the poor?

 

Well its stupid because he wore a bank sponsor last season... anyway until there are actual quotes from cisse this is probably bullshit

 

That just doesn't hold any water for me. I wouldn't put banks and Wonga in the same category, certainly not from an ethical point of view.

 

If it's on religious ground then they are the same, it's the interest earned regardless of how much.

As explained before banks like Virgin money offer no interest loans to muslims.

 

didnt know this, ok well maybe he has a point then, still think its a bit ridiculous, but hopefully there can be a compromise

[Geordie Ahmed]

I just think Cisse would put in a transfer request if he wanted to go, rather than go through this nightmare-ish legal/ethical process. What would be the point? If a player wants to leave, he puts in a transfer request (or ask his agent to start pimping him around in the press).

 

I don't know which part of the Islamic ethical code the Wonga deal goes against. What does his gambling have anything to do with anything? How is that exploiting the poor?

 

Well its stupid because he wore a bank sponsor last season... anyway until there are actual quotes from cisse this is probably bullshit

 

That just doesn't hold any water for me. I wouldn't put banks and Wonga in the same category, certainly not from an ethical point of view.

 

If it's on religious ground then they are the same, it's the interest earned regardless of how much.

As explained before banks like Virgin money offer no interest loans to muslims.

 

Irrelevant

 

From a religious point of view, it is the interest that is forbidden

 

I'm no fan of Wonga BUT from a religious point of view there isn't a great deal of difference between Wonga and Virgin Money

[BrettNUFC]

Poor Cisse hasn't said a word and he's being crucified.

[Dokko]

I just think Cisse would put in a transfer request if he wanted to go, rather than go through this nightmare-ish legal/ethical process. What would be the point? If a player wants to leave, he puts in a transfer request (or ask his agent to start pimping him around in the press).

 

I don't know which part of the Islamic ethical code the Wonga deal goes against. What does his gambling have anything to do with anything? How is that exploiting the poor?

 

Well its stupid because he wore a bank sponsor last season... anyway until there are actual quotes from cisse this is probably bullshit

 

That just doesn't hold any water for me. I wouldn't put banks and Wonga in the same category, certainly not from an ethical point of view.

 

If it's on religious ground then they are the same, it's the interest earned regardless of how much.

As explained before banks like Virgin money offer no interest loans to muslims.

 

Do they? Have any links from virgin for that?

[Deuce]

Have no major issues with Wonga myself if you don't want to pay the interest don't use the company in the first place, I've used them many times when I've been short, the interest is ridiculous but that's what you very clearly sign up for.

 

This will be bullshit in my opinion, he probably hasn't said a thing.

 

You sick bastard. Gotta fight the Man, man.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Its may not be as bad as gambling to us but surely if he is such a devoted Muslim to have an issue with wearing a Wonga sponsored shirt then he would/should also have a real issue towards gambling?

 

There are probably a load of other things he shouldn't do TBH, but as we know religions can be followed to a greater or lesser extent and the individual choices a person makes don't always make sense to anyone else.

 

There aren't any sides to be taken here really. I would rather the club weren't sponsored by Wonga but that's a matter of opinion rather than a big mistake on their part. And Cisse is entitled to object if his morals dictate he should.

 

Just hope they can resolve it, reckon it'll be alright.