Skeletor Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 They're a very tolerant lot out in Russia. I'm sure he'll get on just fine there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. How is he trying to protect the Muslim community? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. Well, that's the end of Sparks short lived argument. Not exactly an official statement, is it? But regardless, he doesn't have to follow everything in the Quran. You say you would have backed him before you found out he went to a casino, despite the fact that he was already picking and choosing which aspects of his religion to follow long before that. Maybe he objects to some things more strongly than others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. He's probably a shit Muslim but in his mind he probably believes what he is doing is right (and who is to say he's not?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. How is he trying to protect the Muslim community? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Following his conscience or not, he's breaching his fucking contract (presumably). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I don't agree with what he's doing like, I hope once he's made his point he backs down. I just don't know why people are so quick to jump to negative conclusions. Really hope whoever job it is to talk him round doesn't just waft a picture of him sitting at a roulette table in his face and call him cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. How is he trying to protect the Muslim community? . Aha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. He's probably a shit Muslim but in his mind he probably believes what he is doing is right (and who is to say he's not?) He is right, its a shit company, but he's got to get on with it like other Muslim players. You can't just have a problem with money lending while being a gambler, its fucking ludicrous. It's like Pete Docherty saying I draw the line a Ket, but heroin is fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. I remember when Wonga was originally announced as our sponsors and the reaction wasn't great. Newcastle United the heart and soul of this City and it is advertising a company in one of the poorest areas of the country that lends money at extortionate rates to those who can least afford it. Cisse for whatever reason (as we don't know - he's yet to say) has chose not to wear the shirt. Rather than support him I find it staggering that people are so quick to jump on his back and character assassinate him in forums and in the media. I just hope none of you ever need one of these loans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. I remember when Wonga was originally announced as our sponsors and the reaction wasn't great. Newcastle United the heart and soul of this City and it is advertising a company in one of the poorest areas of the country that lends money at extortionate rates to those who can least afford it. Cisse for whatever reason (as we don't know - he's yet to say) has chose not to wear the shirt. Rather than support him I find it staggering that people are so quick to jump on his back and character assassinate him in forums and in the media. I just hope none of you ever need one of these loans. I hope no one ends up getting a call that a friend has killed himself because he lost all his money in the casino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I was pissed off when Wonga were announced as sponsor and this standoff is ultimately another consequence of that as far as I'm concerned, no matter what your theory on the situation is. Even if you're on board with the theory that he's being opportunistic and wants away then he'd be gone or on the transfer list by now if it wasn't for that piece-of-shit glorified loanshark. If he's a genuine problem with it then the bad effects are obvious and we're stuck in this stupid situation effectively without a decent goalscorer on the books. Sad times when our great club are defending the reputation and interests of a company like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I was pissed off when Wonga were announced as sponsor and this standoff is ultimately another consequence of that as far as I'm concerned, no matter what your theory on the situation is. Even if you're on board with the theory that he's being opportunistic and wants away then he'd be gone or on the transfer list by now if it wasn't for that piece-of-shit glorified loanshark. If he's a genuine problem with it then the bad effects are obvious and we're stuck in this stupid situation effectively without a decent goalscorer on the books. Sad times when our great club are defending the reputation and interests of a company like that. Who has defended Wonga? For me its about wanting what is best for the club, ans what is best is Cisse drops this so we can move on. Season starts in a month ffs and this is still hot topic and that is down to Cisse no one else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Duo and 'polic are bang on imo. The fans/local media really should be blasting Wonga instead of directing their fury at Cisse because his beliefs seem bit mixed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Genuinely think Cisse used the faith angle not in an attempt to force a move, but so that he didn't have to constantly fucking talk about not wanting to be associated with the company. Obviously that completely fucking backfired. His distaste for Wonga is probably a moral concern, rather than a spiritual dilemma. He more than likely figured that the people in charge would respect his wishes and work towards a solution. Oops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I was pissed off when Wonga were announced as sponsor and this standoff is ultimately another consequence of that as far as I'm concerned, no matter what your theory on the situation is. Even if you're on board with the theory that he's being opportunistic and wants away then he'd be gone or on the transfer list by now if it wasn't for that piece-of-shit glorified loanshark. If he's a genuine problem with it then the bad effects are obvious and we're stuck in this stupid situation effectively without a decent goalscorer on the books. Sad times when our great club are defending the reputation and interests of a company like that. Who has defended Wonga? For me its about wanting what is best for the club, ans what is best is Cisse drops this so we can move on. Season starts in a month ffs and this is still hot topic and that is down to Cisse no one else. The club are defending an odious company like Wonga by insisting a player wears the sponsor despite his moral/religious protestations otherwise. We haven't simply jumped into bed with them, we're now in the business of defending their commercial interests and reputation too. Shouldn't have agreed the deal in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Just seen this on the news , he's denying hes a gambler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Duo and 'polic are bang on imo. The fans/local media really should be blasting Wonga instead of directing their fury at Cisse because his beliefs seem bit mixed up. I agree, but the fans do fuck all these days. Same goes with the results, pardew, all the other shit, the fans just turn up and Ashley doesn't care. Wonga are a shit company, so are SD, Pardew is a shit manager, Kinnear a fucking loon it goes on and on...Cisse isn't helping things, if he's that bothered hoy in a TR and let us all move on. What his game is I haven't got a clue, don't really care, i just want him playing next season or him off the books and new strikers in willing to play for the club. Without players willing to play we are completely fucked. This just reminds me of when Keegan sued the club and people were delighted when he wanted to take £20m off us, yeah, that is really going to help. Madness man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I was pissed off when Wonga were announced as sponsor and this standoff is ultimately another consequence of that as far as I'm concerned, no matter what your theory on the situation is. Even if you're on board with the theory that he's being opportunistic and wants away then he'd be gone or on the transfer list by now if it wasn't for that piece-of-shit glorified loanshark. If he's a genuine problem with it then the bad effects are obvious and we're stuck in this stupid situation effectively without a decent goalscorer on the books. Sad times when our great club are defending the reputation and interests of a company like that. Who has defended Wonga? For me its about wanting what is best for the club, ans what is best is Cisse drops this so we can move on. Season starts in a month ffs and this is still hot topic and that is down to Cisse no one else. The club are defending an odious company like Wonga by insisting a player wears the sponsor despite his moral/religious protestations otherwise. We haven't simply jumped into bed with them, we're now in the business of defending their commercial interests and reputation too. Shouldn't have agreed the deal in the first place. Course we shouldn't have, but its happened and they are here for the next 4 years. Because of that i do what i do, buy nowt with wonga on, for myself or the bairn, thats my choice that effects me and him. Cisse's decision effects the entire club and not in a good way however shit Wonga are, the whole Premiership is full of companies who don't just push the envelope they rip it up and breaks laws at a constant rate without giving a fuck. If you want to remain clean of all this stay away from this league in particular but in all honesty football is corrupt frim the very top, Blatter and the backhander crew and the dodgy WC bids a prime example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Like it or not, the fact is that the world of PL shirt sponsors is populated by scummy corporations: Emirates dafabet Malaysia Samsung GAC Logistics Chang Marathonbet Cash Converters Standard Chartered Etihad Airways Aon Wonga Aviva aap3 Bet365 BFS Group GWFX HP Zoopla Alpari You could pick nits with any one of those sponsors, but that's not a footballer's job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Even DM were calling them 'loan sharks' a few months back. Now Cisse has become the focus of their attention. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219878/Wonga-loan-sharks-laughing-way-bank-Firm-staggering-rates-pays-access-Tory-ministers--guess-wont-need-loan.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Personally I prefer the more moderate religious folk who are willing to let minor stuff slide - think that's being pretty flexible and accomodating with your religious beliefs, which is what people are usually in favour of. Aren't they? Gambling doesn't seem minor: http://www.islamawareness.net/Gambling/gambling_fatwa001.html I've read plenty of stuff like this over the past few weeks and like i said weeks ago that pic of him in the casino will change everything. But the basis behind Islam's stance on gambling is that it's wrong because for you to win, someone else has to lose. So gambling with a guy who has very little and potentially taking the last of his money would be more sinful than gamblign against a casino where they can afford to pay it. Most reports have cited both his 'religious and moral beliefs' so I don't see how it can't be a combination of the two unless he's a full on dogmatic religious zealot. Contraceptives are apparently a major no-no for Catholics, but it seems rank and file are happy to ignore it, while still citing their faith on other beliefs. If Wonga didn't lend to people who couldn't pay the money back, they'd likely go out of business. Payday lenders get 50% of their income from fees and charges for late payments, not the interest they make such a big deal about informing peope of upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I won't be happy with the cunt until he's making Miss Newcastle go round in a burkha and declares jihad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Is it cold in that place ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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