thomas Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Personally I prefer the more moderate religious folk who are willing to let minor stuff slide - think that's being pretty flexible and accomodating with your religious beliefs, which is what people are usually in favour of. Aren't they? So ... who gets to decide what's minor? Why isn't lending as minor as gambling? I haven't been following this that closely tbh, so in the grand tradition of online forums I'd like to offer my uninformed opinion: he's looking for a way out and is using a selective application of his religion - thinking (mostly correctly, I might add) that faith-based-justification is currently a politically and socially unassailable reason for anything - to get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. Well, that's the end of Sparks short lived argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 What's clear is we are going to need Cisse badly because there are no signs that those clowns at the club will be able to get anyone in to replace him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I'd be very interested to see the opinions if another player came out in support of Cisse's stance; I think a lot of this vitriol is just an excuse for people to moan about religion and Muslims in particular. He's entitled to his view on Wonga. If he simply wants to leave then he'd have put in a transfer request before now. very good post Ditto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Couldn't give a toss about the whys and the whatfors, the whole thing is another badly handled farce. Another example of the pantomime that is NUFC under Mike Ashley, no fucking way this would have played out like this at any other club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! His principles are likely brought on by his religious beliefs, they go hand in hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 If he puts in a transfer request he harms his reputation a little. Here he looks like a man with principles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 If he puts in a transfer request he harms his reputation a little. Here he looks like a man with principles. And less money as he's handed in a transfer request. Could be money spent on the casino table of russia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 They're a very tolerant lot out in Russia. I'm sure he'll get on just fine there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. How is he trying to protect the Muslim community? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. Well, that's the end of Sparks short lived argument. Not exactly an official statement, is it? But regardless, he doesn't have to follow everything in the Quran. You say you would have backed him before you found out he went to a casino, despite the fact that he was already picking and choosing which aspects of his religion to follow long before that. Maybe he objects to some things more strongly than others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. He's probably a shit Muslim but in his mind he probably believes what he is doing is right (and who is to say he's not?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. How is he trying to protect the Muslim community? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Following his conscience or not, he's breaching his fucking contract (presumably). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I don't agree with what he's doing like, I hope once he's made his point he backs down. I just don't know why people are so quick to jump to negative conclusions. Really hope whoever job it is to talk him round doesn't just waft a picture of him sitting at a roulette table in his face and call him cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. How is he trying to protect the Muslim community? . Aha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how major it is, he isn't part of some Islamic cult. He'll offend the general Muslim community (the one he's trying to protect from the very bad wonga) by being in a casino. He's probably a shit Muslim but in his mind he probably believes what he is doing is right (and who is to say he's not?) He is right, its a shit company, but he's got to get on with it like other Muslim players. You can't just have a problem with money lending while being a gambler, its fucking ludicrous. It's like Pete Docherty saying I draw the line a Ket, but heroin is fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. I remember when Wonga was originally announced as our sponsors and the reaction wasn't great. Newcastle United the heart and soul of this City and it is advertising a company in one of the poorest areas of the country that lends money at extortionate rates to those who can least afford it. Cisse for whatever reason (as we don't know - he's yet to say) has chose not to wear the shirt. Rather than support him I find it staggering that people are so quick to jump on his back and character assassinate him in forums and in the media. I just hope none of you ever need one of these loans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So because he's a Muslim he's not allowed to make a stand against something? That's basically what people are saying. Unless Cissé makes a statement saying he is refusing to wear the shirt because it says in the Quran that he's not allowed to, then I fail to see how his gambling is relevant at all. So you think Cisse is only doing this because he doesn't agree with the Wonga principles and it has nothing to do with Religious beliefs?!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23424012? Newcastle United is currently on a pre-season trip to Portugal, but Cisse pulled out, saying he was not prepared to promote the pay-day loans company, citing his religion, and instead offered to wear an unbranded strip. Tbh, if i didn't know he gambling in the casino's i'd be totally behind him saying no and offering to play in a wongaless shirt, but its just hypocrisy and i can't get past it. I remember when Wonga was originally announced as our sponsors and the reaction wasn't great. Newcastle United the heart and soul of this City and it is advertising a company in one of the poorest areas of the country that lends money at extortionate rates to those who can least afford it. Cisse for whatever reason (as we don't know - he's yet to say) has chose not to wear the shirt. Rather than support him I find it staggering that people are so quick to jump on his back and character assassinate him in forums and in the media. I just hope none of you ever need one of these loans. I hope no one ends up getting a call that a friend has killed himself because he lost all his money in the casino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I was pissed off when Wonga were announced as sponsor and this standoff is ultimately another consequence of that as far as I'm concerned, no matter what your theory on the situation is. Even if you're on board with the theory that he's being opportunistic and wants away then he'd be gone or on the transfer list by now if it wasn't for that piece-of-shit glorified loanshark. If he's a genuine problem with it then the bad effects are obvious and we're stuck in this stupid situation effectively without a decent goalscorer on the books. Sad times when our great club are defending the reputation and interests of a company like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I was pissed off when Wonga were announced as sponsor and this standoff is ultimately another consequence of that as far as I'm concerned, no matter what your theory on the situation is. Even if you're on board with the theory that he's being opportunistic and wants away then he'd be gone or on the transfer list by now if it wasn't for that piece-of-shit glorified loanshark. If he's a genuine problem with it then the bad effects are obvious and we're stuck in this stupid situation effectively without a decent goalscorer on the books. Sad times when our great club are defending the reputation and interests of a company like that. Who has defended Wonga? For me its about wanting what is best for the club, ans what is best is Cisse drops this so we can move on. Season starts in a month ffs and this is still hot topic and that is down to Cisse no one else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Duo and 'polic are bang on imo. The fans/local media really should be blasting Wonga instead of directing their fury at Cisse because his beliefs seem bit mixed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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