Dr.Spaceman Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He may gamble but he isn't promoting it for personal or commercial gain. Jesus Christ, I don't know where to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Don't bring Jesus into it, for a kick off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The problem I've got with him is that I simply don't believe his reasons and he's using his religion to drive his position. There's a belief that he was after an improved deal and it pretty evident that he likes the cash and nice to have's (Miss Newcastle for one). He could have simply said he didn't agree with Wonga as a company and didn't want to wear the shirt. However, he's brought his religious beliefs into this to get his way. He's mugging us off and there's people out there thinking he's getting hard done by and trying to justify all of this. I'd tell him to get on the next plane out - Portugal or a new club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's hardly made a secret of the fact he enjoys an occasional trip to Aspers like, he's publicly held some of his charity events there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's hardly made a secret of the fact he enjoys an occasional trip to Aspers like, he's publicly held some of his charity events there. No, no, it's simply not possible that he could have religious and moral objections to encouraging people to take out loans at extortionate rates of interest that could ruin their lives while thinking it does less harm to spend some of his own money in a casino. I mean, what sense would that make? it has to be absolutely all or nothing in every situation, that's what the real world's like, innit? It's like someone saying "Sorry, as a Catholic I don't think I can promote an abortion provider on my shirt" BULLSHIT, I've seen you eat meat on a Friday! LIAR! What's your real reason?! People pointed out that having a sponsor like Wonga could cause these types of issues. Cisse's well within his rights to object to promoting them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's hardly made a secret of the fact he enjoys an occasional trip to Aspers like, he's publicly held some of his charity events there. No, no, it's simply not possible that he could have religious and moral objections to encouraging people to take out loans at extortionate rates of interest that could ruin their lives while thinking it does less harm to spend some of his own money in a casino. I mean, what sense would that make? it has to be absolutely all or nothing in every situation, that's what the real world's like, innit? It's like someone saying "Sorry, as a Catholic I don't think I can promote an abortion provider on my shirt" BULLSHIT, I've seen you eat meat on a Friday! LIAR! What's your real reason?! People pointed out that having a sponsor like Wonga could cause these types of issues. Cisse's well within his rights to object to promoting them. He's forcing a move, a think it's clear to see that. He probably didn't even know who/what Wonga were until they sponsered us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's forcing a move, a think it's clear to see that. He probably didn't even know who/what Wonga were until they sponsered us. So what? He knows what they are now. If he wants to force a move, he can force one without this excuse. Footballers do it every single day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's forcing a move, a think it's clear to see that. He probably didn't even know who/what Wonga were until they sponsered us. So what? He knows what they are now. If he wants to force a move, he can force one without this excuse. Footballers do it every single day. He looks like the good guy doing it this way though. It's nothing to do with the Catholic/Christian argument either - he proclaims to be a practicing Muslim when he quite clearly isn't. He is using his religion to force a move elsewhere, I've no doubt about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's forcing a move, a think it's clear to see that. He probably didn't even know who/what Wonga were until they sponsered us. So what? He knows what they are now. If he wants to force a move, he can force one without this excuse. Footballers do it every single day. He looks like the good guy doing it this way though. It's nothing to do with the Catholic/Christian argument either - he proclaims to be a practicing Muslim when he quite clearly isn't. He is using his religion to force a move elsewhere, I've no doubt about that. Does he drink booze? Does he eat pork? Does he pray to mecca? Does he believe in an afterlife? He's clearly religious to some extent, just like anyone else who claims a religion. You don't go around telling people they aren't Christians because you can flick through a bible and find parts of it they haven't followed to the letter. You don't then accuse them of being up to no good on a Sunday because they can't really be going to church because they're not a practising Christian as they're wearing clothes made out of more than one fibre. By the logic Cisse's being subjected to, are there ANY practising Muslim footballers? Given the weekend games, are there ANY Christian or Jewish players? Is the premier league entirely secular, from top to bottom? He's said it's moral and religious objections, his objections could be 95% moral and 5% religious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's forcing a move, a think it's clear to see that. He probably didn't even know who/what Wonga were until they sponsered us. So what? He knows what they are now. If he wants to force a move, he can force one without this excuse. Footballers do it every single day. He looks like the good guy doing it this way though. It's nothing to do with the Catholic/Christian argument either - he proclaims to be a practicing Muslim when he quite clearly isn't. He is using his religion to force a move elsewhere, I've no doubt about that. He can only force a move if someone wants him. Are you saying he's been tapped up? It might just be he wants a better deal here. It's all guesswork really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Whilst Cisse "may" have his religious stand point, I fully support the club to fine him and stop paying his wages until he agrees to play or left this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Whilst Cisse "may" have his religious stand point, I fully support the club to fine him and stop paying his wages until he agrees to play or left this club. Very much so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/74973/newcastle-united-striker-papiss-cisse-breaking-a-contract-is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The most ironic thing here is this footballer has claimed the morale high ground on Wonga here in the UK will but due to the masses of cash that passes through his hands, will have likely bought or even gambled with notes obtained via the very same loan company at some point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's forcing a move, a think it's clear to see that. He probably didn't even know who/what Wonga were until they sponsered us. So what? He knows what they are now. If he wants to force a move, he can force one without this excuse. Footballers do it every single day. He looks like the good guy doing it this way though. It's nothing to do with the Catholic/Christian argument either - he proclaims to be a practicing Muslim when he quite clearly isn't. He is using his religion to force a move elsewhere, I've no doubt about that. He can only force a move if someone wants him. Are you saying he's been tapped up? It might just be he wants a better deal here. It's all guesswork really. Not so sure now that Hiddink has left but Anzhi were heavily linked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The most ironic thing here is this footballer has claimed the morale high ground on Wonga here in the UK will but due to the masses of cash that passes through his hands, will have likely bought or even gambled with notes obtained via the very same loan company at some point Not sure I see the irony, would he be a hypocrite if he took a stand against Cocaine despite something like 1 in 10 notes apparently having traces of it on them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I think we should let him play without the sponsor and see how he reacts. Call his bluff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I think we should let him play without the sponsor and see how he reacts. Call his bluff. that or the charity idea. Let Wonga have their 'glory' by claiming they were the ones who chose the charity etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The most ironic thing here is this footballer has claimed the morale high ground on Wonga here in the UK will but due to the masses of cash that passes through his hands, will have likely bought or even gambled with notes obtained via the very same loan company at some point Not sure I see the irony, would he be a hypocrite if he took a stand against Cocaine despite something like 1 in 10 notes apparently having traces of it on them? Thats the word I was looking for hypocrite not irony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Still not sure why he is a hypocrite for handling money that may have one point been in the hands of someone who borrowed from Wonga. I have doubts about his stance but it is a little weird to judge someone based on their money's previous owners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I think we should let him play without the sponsor and see how he reacts. Call his bluff. that or the charity idea. Let Wonga have their 'glory' by claiming they were the ones who chose the charity etc.. No, he either puts up with wearing our shirt or he goes. Any compromise just sounds ridiculous and would continue to cause a circus every year until he left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strongbow69 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 he played with a cracked rib last season when he shouldn't have, anyone calling him a cnut and not the management is an been lacking forwards since best and lovelyhands left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Still not sure why he is a hypocrite for handling money that may have one point been in the hands of someone who borrowed from Wonga. I have doubts about his stance but it is a little weird to judge someone based on their money's previous owners If he wont touch the shirt why should he touch the money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Still not sure why he is a hypocrite for handling money that may have one point been in the hands of someone who borrowed from Wonga. I have doubts about his stance but it is a little weird to judge someone based on their money's previous owners If he wont touch the shirt why should he touch the money? You don't see a difference in touching money that might have once belonged to a company and actively advertising and promoting that company? Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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