ScottishMagpie Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 If he's not getting the service in and around the box so he can produce a moment of magic all by himself then he contributes the square root of fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 He is what he is. If the team isn't functioning he isn't going to be of any help. I don't understand the criticism after last night specifically really, he was incredibly isolated up against a fairly mean defence and only a handful of balls pinged in his direction. We should have taken him off instead of Gouffran TBH, he may as well have had a rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 He is what he is. If the team isn't functioning he isn't going to be of any help. I don't understand the criticism after last night specifically really, he was incredibly isolated up against a fairly mean defence and only a handful of balls pinged in his direction. We should have taken him off instead of Gouffran TBH, he may as well have had a rest. Ian, there was a situation in the first half where a long ball was played up to him, and he just let it bounce along the side of the penalty area over the goal line. It wasn't a perfect ball, but he had plenty of time to control it and his marker wasn't particularly close, letting him have the ball rather than putting in a challenge. It was an easy opportunity to hold the ball up, but either through indecision, or a lack of confidence or an unwillingness to make the best of an imperfect situation, he did nothing. Against Man City he's not going to get lots of chances, but it's important that his team-mates see that he has the right attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This guy is literally the worst kind of striker for us to have. Always looking to get in behind, and can't hold the ball up or win physical battles. Considering our team is incapable of getting in position to play balls through to him, and instead loves hoofing/clipping/lumping/floating the ball up to him early, for only god knows what reason, it's a match made in hell. Sickening to watch time and time again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 It's sad to remember just how good he was when he first joined and how he slotted in to the side seamlessly in our amazing 6 game winning run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This guy is literally the worst kind of striker for us to have. Always looking to get in behind, and can't hold the ball up or win physical battles. Considering our team is incapable of getting in position to play balls through to him, and instead loves hoofing/clipping/lumping/floating the ball up to him early, for only god knows what reason, it's a match made in hell. Sickening to watch time and time again. You're right, right now he's the worst option, but the only option we have. Gomis is essential IMO, but I don't see them playing together ATM. Cisse out wide it'll be as Pardew won't drop him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I have no doubt he would look better in a free flowing team that creates many chances, although I don't think his finishing is good enough for a team of that level. For a team like ours, we need a striker who can hold the ball up, contribute to our attacking play and create chances for himself and midfielders that come forward. Both Carroll and Ba were capable of these things much more than Cisse appears to be. I'm afraid he is not the right fit for us at all. Edit: what KaKa said basically.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm telling you right now, if we sign a striker like Gomis, once Remy is fit , we will play 4-4-2 and Cisse will be on the bench. The way we play would improve ten fold if we had a more physical striker, as this is what suits Pardew's approach. We will never consistently play good enough football to create the kind of chances Cisse will need to thrive. Not under Pards. All those clipped balls to Cisse are just handing possession back over to the other team. Imagine someone like Carroll in those instances though? He'd hodl it up more often than not, and allow the rest of the team to advance some. This is just a fact of life. It is what it is. Another player not suited to the team ethos. A manager not capable of abiding by an alternative ethos either, and so here we are in limbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 And this is the player that when we got him our manager was all "he was the one I wanted", "been watching him for a while" "important piece in the jigsaw" etc. bet he didn't even once think how he would best utlise said talent or how he would intergrate in to our team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Tbf, most teams need a lad that can do something with a chipped ball up to their chest. Welbeck Dzeko Giroud Torres (sometimes) Lukaku Even RVP, Aguero, Rooney etc. aren't weak as piss and can make the ball stick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm telling you right now, if we sign a striker like Gomis, once Remy is fit , we will play 4-4-2 and Cisse will be on the bench. The way we play would improve ten fold if we had a more physical striker, as this is what suits Pardew's approach. We will never consistently play good enough football to create the kind of chances Cisse will need to thrive. Not under Pards. All those clipped balls to Cisse are just handing possession back over to the other team. Imagine someone like Carroll in those instances though? He'd hodl it up more often than not, and allow the rest of the team to advance some. This is just a fact of life. It is what it is. Another player not suited to the team ethos. A manager not capable of abiding by an alternative ethos either, and so here we are in limbo. Well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Erm, we could also go and try to play tot he strengths of the striker we have, instead of imposing a system on him thats not suitable Like hammering a nail in with a saw...or using sticky tape to hold bricks down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Erm, we could also go and try to play tot he strengths of the striker we have, instead of imposing a system on him thats not suitable Like hammering a nail in with a saw...or using sticky tape to hold bricks down. We haven't got the players to play him properly, he needs a partner, and by the looks of it quite a specific one as well. As a lone striker he's hopeless, but we just haven't got that person to bring him out. For me I think Carroll would have done the job, so I'm still hoping for a big lad, we've got the pace in Remy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Square peg in round hole for us atm. We don't create enough for the chances he needs, I would rather Remy came in for Cisse than to play with him. He was dreadful last night in his general play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 At this level, you can't shield a striker from having to hold the ball up from time to time in close quarter situations, or from having to drop deep or wide occasionally to help the team's movement. They have to be able to help out in those areas. The idea that he can just wait between the centre backs for chances to come his way, and the rest of the team will fit around him, is completely unrealistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 At this level, you can't shield a striker from having to hold the ball up from time to time in close quarter situations, or from having to drop deep or wide occasionally to help the team's movement. They have to be able to help out in those areas. The idea that he can just wait between the centre backs for chances to come his way, and the rest of the team will fit around him, is completely unrealistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 He was fine at dropping deep and wide when he joined. I remember him doing a lot of good work out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 He was fine at dropping deep and wide when he joined. I remember him doing a lot of good work out wide. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 He was fine at dropping deep and wide when he joined. I remember him doing a lot of good work out wide. Ba and him had moments in the match where they changed positions, so both played left wing at times. I don't remember either of them looking anything special though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 He was fine at dropping deep and wide when he joined. I remember him doing a lot of good work out wide. Ba and him had moments in the match where they changed positions, so both played left wing at times. I don't remember either of them looking anything special though. Put it this way then, Cisse looked a lot better then than he does now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 He was fine at dropping deep and wide when he joined. I remember him doing a lot of good work out wide. Ba and him had moments in the match where they changed positions, so both played left wing at times. I don't remember either of them looking anything special though. Put it this way then, Cisse looked a lot better then than he does now. Undoubtedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Either get rid of him or get rid of Pardew, clearly something is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 He needed benched for this game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 He relies on instincts and moments of brilliance to score. At the moment hes not reacting quick enough to anything, not anticipating anything and barely looks interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 He needed benched for this game. He needed service. He gets fuck all of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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