Unbelievable Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Ronaldo is right in the sense if you have Ben Arfa a ball dominant player who likes to make things happen, Remy another player who likes to drive at the back 4 you need a striker who is very good at holding the ball up, playing the lone role by himself and bring others into play. For all Ba's strengths i don't think those are things where he was particularly brilliant at. Not like Pardew would play Ben Arfa and Remy on the wings ever again mind. That's not what he said though, or I wouldn't have disagreed. He said unselfish, which is a load of rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Not really. I would want a striker capable of bringing others into play but confident enough to consider himself the main man for scoring goals, hence I don't mind a but of greed in front of goal. To me, bringing others into play is something that happens in the build up of attacks, further away from goal.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Not really. I would want a striker capable of bringing others into play but confident enough to consider himself the main man for scoring goals, hence I don't mind a but of greed in front of goal. To me, bringing others into play is something that happens in the build up of attacks, further away from goal.. I agree, its kind of a must to have both really.... above all else its a big reason why Shola is so shit i would say he's very unselfish but doesn't have the confidence to do anything with it. Problem is these players with the confidence to score and selflessly play for the team cost lots of money and we all know that Ashley won't fund it. Our best bet is hoping we get De Jong on loan and he comes good really..... oh well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Not sure how Ba apparently played so well out wide, barely scoring, not bringing his team mates into play and having a shit touch on top of being a greedy bastard. What was he doing well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Not really. I would want a striker capable of bringing others into play but confident enough to consider himself the main man for scoring goals, hence I don't mind a but of greed in front of goal. To me, bringing others into play is something that happens in the build up of attacks, further away from goal.. So unselfish = not confident in front of goal? Give up and stop being daft, man. I'm right, Mole's right, you're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 @lee_ryder Besiktas coach Özen on Cisse bid: "The question is if Newcastle would be willing to let him go and if Cissé would want to play in Turkey." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 @lee_ryder Besiktas coach Özen on Cisse bid: "The question is if Newcastle would be willing to let him go and if Cissé would want to play in Turkey." Yep, definitely questions that would need to be asked if a Turkish team wanted to sign Papiss Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Not really. I would want a striker capable of bringing others into play but confident enough to consider himself the main man for scoring goals, hence I don't mind a but of greed in front of goal. To me, bringing others into play is something that happens in the build up of attacks, further away from goal.. So unselfish = not confident in front of goal? Give up and stop being daft, man. I'm right, Mole's right, you're wrong. Right and wrong? Really Ronaldo? Maybe you would care to explain what you meant by "if you're playing three up top you need an unselfish player in the middle", because from where I'm sitting that sounds like a load of utter and complete rubbish. Then you proceed to bring Ba into the equation as not being that type of player and say he's only useful feeding of scraps on his own up top, which you should know is not how he has best performed for us, as I seem to remember you saying in the past he was best used playing of a bigger striker doing the dirty work. Honestly, your argument seems to be all over the place on this.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Given our 2 other strikers (generous to Shola tbf) won't be here currently next season it'd be lunacy to sell him given our struggles to move players from the verge to over the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Given our 2 other strikers (generous to Shola tbf) won't be here currently next season it'd be lunacy to sell him given our struggles to move players from the verge to over the line. I don't rate Cisse at all but this is true. Unless we can get two strikers in and convince Remy to stay then we must keep hold of Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Not really. I would want a striker capable of bringing others into play but confident enough to consider himself the main man for scoring goals, hence I don't mind a but of greed in front of goal. To me, bringing others into play is something that happens in the build up of attacks, further away from goal.. So unselfish = not confident in front of goal? Give up and stop being daft, man. I'm right, Mole's right, you're wrong. Right and wrong? Really Ronaldo? Maybe you would care to explain what you meant by "if you're playing three up top you need an unselfish player in the middle", because from where I'm sitting that sounds like a load of utter and complete rubbish. Then you proceed to bring Ba into the equation as not being that type of player and say he's only useful feeding of scraps on his own up top, which you should know is not how he has best performed for us, as I seem to remember you saying in the past he was best used playing of a bigger striker doing the dirty work. Honestly, your argument seems to be all over the place on this.. If you can give me an example of a selfish striker who played the role described to good effect I'll hold my hands up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Not really. I would want a striker capable of bringing others into play but confident enough to consider himself the main man for scoring goals, hence I don't mind a but of greed in front of goal. To me, bringing others into play is something that happens in the build up of attacks, further away from goal.. So unselfish = not confident in front of goal? Give up and stop being daft, man. I'm right, Mole's right, you're wrong. Right and wrong? Really Ronaldo? Maybe you would care to explain what you meant by "if you're playing three up top you need an unselfish player in the middle", because from where I'm sitting that sounds like a load of utter and complete rubbish. Then you proceed to bring Ba into the equation as not being that type of player and say he's only useful feeding of scraps on his own up top, which you should know is not how he has best performed for us, as I seem to remember you saying in the past he was best used playing of a bigger striker doing the dirty work. Honestly, your argument seems to be all over the place on this.. If you can give me an example of a selfish striker who played the role described to good effect I'll hold my hands up. I will, as soon as you explain what you meant by "if you're playing three up top you need an unselfish player in the middle". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Given our 2 other strikers (generous to Shola tbf) won't be here currently next season it'd be lunacy to sell him given our struggles to move players from the verge to over the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLK Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Have we given up on Cisse ? Was his first few months at the club just a flash in the pan ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 His form dropped the second we put Ba's needs before his and the team went to s***. When Demba Ba came off the bench to score twice at Everton, Cisse had 0 league goals. Ba had scored once. It was then Ba 3 goals to Cisse's 0. Only an idiot would back the latter horse. Who - has proven to be a shit horse anyway. 1 decentish bout of form in 18 months. He's scored 8 league goals since Ba left. Blame Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I blame Pardew. Ba put him in a very difficult situation, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well unselfish and bringing players into the game goes hand in hand tbf..... if you were a selfish player you would be less likely to do so. Not really. I would want a striker capable of bringing others into play but confident enough to consider himself the main man for scoring goals, hence I don't mind a but of greed in front of goal. To me, bringing others into play is something that happens in the build up of attacks, further away from goal.. So unselfish = not confident in front of goal? Give up and stop being daft, man. I'm right, Mole's right, you're wrong. Right and wrong? Really Ronaldo? Maybe you would care to explain what you meant by "if you're playing three up top you need an unselfish player in the middle", because from where I'm sitting that sounds like a load of utter and complete rubbish. Then you proceed to bring Ba into the equation as not being that type of player and say he's only useful feeding of scraps on his own up top, which you should know is not how he has best performed for us, as I seem to remember you saying in the past he was best used playing of a bigger striker doing the dirty work. Honestly, your argument seems to be all over the place on this.. If you can give me an example of a selfish striker who played the role described to good effect I'll hold my hands up. I will, as soon as you explain what you meant by "if you're playing three up top you need an unselfish player in the middle". Given that you speak English I don't think I'll bother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 And this switching systems to accomodate Ba shit is just not true. We chopped between formations plenty in the second half of the 5th season. We were 4-4-2 when we beat Chelsea in late March. We started the season 4-4-2 when we beat the team that ended up 4th. Chopped and changed some more. Went "4-3-3" at Everton, went 2-0 down. Brought Ba on, went 4-4-2.. the rest is history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You say 'plenty' and give one example. We were winning games with that system yet went into the new season with a different one. Pretty obvious something was said in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You say 'plenty' and give one example. We were winning games with that system yet went into the new season with a different one. Pretty obvious something was said in the summer. Beat Manchester United 4-4-2, Chelsea 4-4-2. Cisse's debut against Villa 4-4-2 when he came off the bench. We got tonked by Wigan and we stopped with the 4-3-3 after winning so many games with that formation. It had nothing to do with Ba. In the next game we went back to basics and beat Chelsea 4-4-2. From that point Pardew would change between those formations based on the scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So you find it a coincidence that as soon as Ba threw his toys out the pram we immediately switched back to 442? Ba was definitely the reason, but that's over now Ba left and Cisse will probably never be effective for this football club ever again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You say 'plenty' and give one example. We were winning games with that system yet went into the new season with a different one. Pretty obvious something was said in the summer. Beat Manchester United 4-4-2, Chelsea 4-4-2. Cisse's debut against Villa 4-4-2 when he came off the bench. We got tonked by Wigan and we stopped with the 4-3-3 after winning so many games with that formation. It had nothing to do with Ba. In the next game we went back to basics and beat Chelsea 4-4-2. From that point Pardew would change between those formations based on the scenario. Aye, ok. Anyway, I can't be bothered arguing about him. He's at Chelsea wearing his gloves and celebrating like mad on the first of every month. He's happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You say 'plenty' and give one example. We were winning games with that system yet went into the new season with a different one. Pretty obvious something was said in the summer. Beat Manchester United 4-4-2, Chelsea 4-4-2. Cisse's debut against Villa 4-4-2 when he came off the bench. We got tonked by Wigan and we stopped with the 4-3-3 after winning so many games with that formation. It had nothing to do with Ba. In the next game we went back to basics and beat Chelsea 4-4-2. From that point Pardew would change between those formations based on the scenario. Was Cisse even here when we beat Manchester United? And if he was, did he play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Nah he wasn't it was a couple weeks before we signed him if i recall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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