Guest H09 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 also the first half im not sure if it was us playing well or it was fulham was being completely s***. because the amount of percession we had we created f*** all apart from a wonder goal. Not true. which part? cant remember any clear cut . or any one on one chances we had really Shola had 2 headers he should have done better with, Ben Arfa came close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Fulham changed it around and we couldn't cope. More to do with Jol being smart enough to highlight and exploit our weaknesses than ineptitude on Pardew's part - there just wasn't that much he could conceivably do - we lacked protection in midfield (which he attempted to improve by bringing Perch on albeit too late), the centre-halves were beaten for pace and movement, particularly Williamson, and Santon was a liability off the ball. There wasn't one solution out there that could respond to Fulham's changes. Saying that I would've liked us to try and change our attacking impetus at some point - Shola was truly awful, Best was out of the game and Ben Arfa was marginal albeit something of a bright spark. Problems in the rest of the team can stem from an inefficient front line. Always thought it would be a tough match, contrary to some who thought we'd walk it - but not quite that bad. Nonsense, if tactically you cant change the outcome whats the point of the Manager. Just as you said when Jol changed his team, we should have asked our team to play a lower line with the midfield closer to the back four (crowd our half, no space to counter) . They took advantage of the gap between of slow CBs and midfield which were still too high up . Mind you Pardew did not notice it even until the end of the game. It wasnt even changing who was in the team Perch for example, it was where the team should have been tighter when they are under pressure. On reflection I agree with that actually. Suppose I'm just trying to find a way to be charitable to Pardew rather than going immediately for criticism. and also pointing out that we do have some weaknesses in the side (little protection from midfield, pace at centre-half). During the match I thought we should've started defending deeper, used Best as the target man and let Obertan and Ben Arfa threaten on the counter attack. As well as taking one of Guthrie or Cabaye off. I think we could've seen the game out that way and threatened them on the break. Pardew just needs to hold his hands up and admit he messed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 also the first half im not sure if it was us playing well or it was fulham was being completely s***. because the amount of percession we had we created f*** all apart from a wonder goal. Not true. which part? cant remember any clear cut . or any one on one chances we had really Stockdale had to save well from Cabaye and Ben Arfa from range and Coloccini hit him with a tap in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 GK- SHITE DEF - EVEN SHITER MID - OK ATT - NO PULSE FOUND. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Was always going to happen after the high of signing Cissé. It wouldn't be NUFC if it didn't. Just have to make amends in the cup next weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 These poor performances are the norm and a defeat like this is always on the cards as a result of our sheer inconsistent halfs and performances. It will be the undoing of Pardew and our season you feel. Tactically we are poor and mentally something has changed over the last few months. We should not be getting beat at Fulham never mind getting a hammering. Pardew needs to reassess everything, especially tactically, because we are awful. The last time we played good football in my opinion was at home to Spurs and that's because it was an open game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 How many more league games do we have until Ba, Cisse and Tiote are available (assuming we haven't sold them....)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 These poor performances are the norm and a defeat like this is always on the cards as a result of our sheer inconsistent halfs and performances. It will be the undoing of Pardew and our season you feel. Tactically we are poor and mentally something has changed over the last few months. We should not be getting beat at Fulham never mind getting a hammering. Pardew needs to reassess everything, especially tactically, because we are awful. The last time we played good football in my opinion was at home to Spurs and that's because it was an open game. We were playing great footy first half today. Last time we played well was totenham? Yeah beating man u 3-0 playing shit was an achievement... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 These poor performances are the norm and a defeat like this is always on the cards as a result of our sheer inconsistent halfs and performances. It will be the undoing of Pardew and our season you feel. Tactically we are poor and mentally something has changed over the last few months. We should not be getting beat at Fulham never mind getting a hammering. Pardew needs to reassess everything, especially tactically, because we are awful. The last time we played good football in my opinion was at home to Spurs and that's because it was an open game. Fulham are a decent team, so losing to them is nothing special. Just the manner of the collapse is the main issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 why the collapse ? it needs a bloody good looking at. we dominate for 50mins then concede an iffy penalty then decide to stop doing everything we'd done well. " ooh dear, we've conceded an equaliser, the best way to respond is by punting 40yd passes vaguely in the direction of two forwards who can't hold it basically just giving the ball back to the opposition who well just look shocked at....good plan" this follows on from norwich where we more than held our own then collapsed after conceding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Someone assassinate Shola and save our next month. Oh f*** off man. This result is 100% about the defence man. Yeah our defence has been bad but two of their goals were after Shola rather hopelessly lost the ball. Attack is the best form of defence. of course Shola is to blame in part. it's not about separating the side into defence/attack and saying because we conceded x amount of goals but scored y amount that the attackers get off scot free and it's defenders to blame. it's a f***ing team game and poor performances in any part of the pitch can cause problems elsewhere. you have to defend from the front, help us keep the ball upfield and offer creativity and goal threat - if your main target man cannot do any of those four things then you are on the back foot before you even begin. rancid performance from him. he's spent his entire career putting in these awful performances, then he gets in everyone's good books with a couple of decent games, and with that credit built up he then eases down into shitness, starting off the whole process again. he's a con man, basically. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 worst result in a few years, and a fuckin embarrasing performance 2nd half against a s**** team. f***ing still cant work it out, 5 goals conceded against Fulham. fulham arent a bad side, it's nowhere near as bad as the west brom game at st james that was horrendous. True. Fulham had scored 16 goals in 10 home games, then got 5 against us in one! FML Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 442 does not work with Best Ameobi. To slow and immobile. Play 433 or 4231 until our African goalscorers and the choker is back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Someone assassinate Shola and save our next month. Oh f*** off man. This result is 100% about the defence man. Yeah our defence has been bad but two of their goals were after Shola rather hopelessly lost the ball. Attack is the best form of defence. of course Shola is to blame in part. it's not about separating the side into defence/attack and saying because we conceded x amount of goals but scored y amount that the attackers get off scot free and it's defenders to blame. it's a f***ing team game and poor performances in any part of the pitch can cause problems elsewhere. you have to defend from the front, help us keep the ball upfield and offer creativity and goal threat - if your main target man cannot do any of those four things then you are on the back foot before you even begin. rancid performance from him. he's spent his entire career putting in these awful performances, then he gets in everyone's good books with a couple of decent games, and with that credit built up he then eases down into shitness, starting off the whole process again. he's a con man, basically. Spot on. Pretty sure the Ameobi cycle is at the 'hip injury' phase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 These poor performances are the norm and a defeat like this is always on the cards as a result of our sheer inconsistent halfs and performances. It will be the undoing of Pardew and our season you feel. Tactically we are poor and mentally something has changed over the last few months. We should not be getting beat at Fulham never mind getting a hammering. Pardew needs to reassess everything, especially tactically, because we are awful. The last time we played good football in my opinion was at home to Spurs and that's because it was an open game. i know you have a personal thing with pardew but try not to let is spill into spouting tosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 also the first half im not sure if it was us playing well or it was fulham was being completely s***. because the amount of percession we had we created f*** all apart from a wonder goal. Not true. which part? cant remember any clear cut . or any one on one chances we had really Shola had 2 headers he should have done better with, Ben Arfa came close. you call those clear cut chances? playing balls to ameobi's head, never counts as chances not even the slightest because thats like saying throwing a turd of a 20 story building and asking shola to head it is like a clear cut chance. so like 80 percent of percession and a arfa chance . barring guth wonder goal, i wouldnt say we exactly spanking the ass off fulham, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 also the first half im not sure if it was us playing well or it was fulham was being completely s***. because the amount of percession we had we created f*** all apart from a wonder goal. Not true. which part? cant remember any clear cut . or any one on one chances we had really Shola had 2 headers he should have done better with, Ben Arfa came close. you call those clear cut chances? playing balls to ameobi's head, never counts as chances not even the slightest because thats like saying throwing a turd of a 20 story building and asking shola to head it is like a clear cut chance. so like 80 percent of percession and a arfa chance . barring guth wonder goal, i wouldnt say we exactly spanking the ass off fulham, sorry. So good saves don't count unless they're from one-on-ones? And you're ignoring Coloccini missing a tap in from six yards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 How many more league games do we have until Ba, Cisse and Tiote are available (assuming we haven't sold them....)? A - Blackburn H - Villa A - Tottenham No more than that and the Spurs game would only be missed if they made the semi final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 also the first half im not sure if it was us playing well or it was fulham was being completely s***. because the amount of percession we had we created f*** all apart from a wonder goal. Not true. which part? cant remember any clear cut . or any one on one chances we had really Shola had 2 headers he should have done better with, Ben Arfa came close. you call those clear cut chances? playing balls to ameobi's head, never counts as chances not even the slightest because thats like saying throwing a turd of a 20 story building and asking shola to head it is like a clear cut chance. so like 80 percent of percession and a arfa chance . barring guth wonder goal, i wouldnt say we exactly spanking the ass off fulham, sorry. So you're ignoring Coloccini missing a tap in from six yards then? It wasn't a tap in. No where near. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 It's not so much that that high line was a bad idea, as that it was so obviously going wrong and yet nothing done about it. Ludicrous, Pardew needs to be bolder and switch tactics around, there was no need in the first place, we controlled and saw out a 1-0 fine at QPR, why couldn't we do that here? Even the penalty we needn't have paniced, plenty of time left and on previous evidence we were the better team. Couldn't handle pace at all. Colo's required him to turn, he's not a striker for a reason. I'd be annoyed if Ben Arfa or Best missed that, Colo shouldn't need to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 By the time we play our next league game the Senegal boys could be on the plane home, if they've gone out in the groups. Got to bounce back away at Brighton as a cup shock is the last thing we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 also the first half im not sure if it was us playing well or it was fulham was being completely s***. because the amount of percession we had we created f*** all apart from a wonder goal. Not true. which part? cant remember any clear cut . or any one on one chances we had really Shola had 2 headers he should have done better with, Ben Arfa came close. you call those clear cut chances? playing balls to ameobi's head, never counts as chances not even the slightest because thats like saying throwing a turd of a 20 story building and asking shola to head it is like a clear cut chance. so like 80 percent of percession and a arfa chance . barring guth wonder goal, i wouldnt say we exactly spanking the ass off fulham, sorry. So you're ignoring Coloccini missing a tap in from six yards then? It wasn't a tap in. No where near. Was about as clear cut a chance as you could wish to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I blame the pre match thread starter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Just one of those games where you might as well shit in your hand and clap...just baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Fulham changed it around and we couldn't cope. More to do with Jol being smart enough to highlight and exploit our weaknesses than ineptitude on Pardew's part - there just wasn't that much he could conceivably do - we lacked protection in midfield (which he attempted to improve by bringing Perch on albeit too late), the centre-halves were beaten for pace and movement, particularly Williamson, and Santon was a liability off the ball. There wasn't one solution out there that could respond to Fulham's changes. Saying that I would've liked us to try and change our attacking impetus at some point - Shola was truly awful, Best was out of the game and Ben Arfa was marginal albeit something of a bright spark. Problems in the rest of the team can stem from an inefficient front line. Always thought it would be a tough match, contrary to some who thought we'd walk it - but not quite that bad. Nonsense, if tactically you cant change the outcome whats the point of the Manager. Just as you said when Jol changed his team, we should have asked our team to play a lower line with the midfield closer to the back four (crowd our half, no space to counter) . They took advantage of the gap between of slow CBs and midfield which were still too high up . Mind you Pardew did not notice it even until the end of the game. It wasnt even changing who was in the team Perch for example, it was where the team should have been tighter when they are under pressure. On reflection I agree with that actually. Suppose I'm just trying to find a way to be charitable to Pardew rather than going immediately for criticism. and also pointing out that we do have some weaknesses in the side (little protection from midfield, pace at centre-half). During the match I thought we should've started defending deeper, used Best as the target man and let Obertan and Ben Arfa threaten on the counter attack. As well as taking one of Guthrie or Cabaye off. I think we could've seen the game out that way and threatened them on the break. Pardew just needs to hold his hands up and admit he messed up. All in all a good glimpse to how we could play when the flair players are deployed the right way, Thought the teams shape was great, always an outlet to pass to when the players were under pressure. Tried the same stuff in the second half but it didnt work and we conceeded like running tap. Reflection point for Pardew to balance team as to how the other team is set up playing. Hopes he keep to the 4-3-3, its looks promising with the right players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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