Chris_R Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I don't think we're FAR better. We're better, but it's not that clear. They've got a decent GK, they have a decent defence, and now they're threatening to have a very decent midfield and forward line. They lack depth, but so do we. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I don't think we're FAR better. We're better, but it's not that clear. They've got a decent GK, they have a decent defence, and now they're threatening to have a very decent midfield and forward line. They lack depth, but so do we. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Johnson is a good signing no doubt, but where will he play, does he replace Larsson or McClean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I really just don't get the level of hype Johnson has, he's 25 years of age and all he has to show for it is a good half a season in the Championship and some goals and assists as a peripheral substitute at City, in what way does he deserve a 10 million pound price tag? It's interesting reading Blue Moon and speaking to City fans compared to opinions on here. The majority acknowledge that he has good technique but is lacking in other areas, he doesn't work hard on or off the pitch with an apparently poor attitude, he has questionable fitness, is too slow, disappears out of matches and has been easily nullified since opposition have figured out what he's all about on that right hand side. He just strikes me as a player who has the odd moment but overall flatters to deceive, a luxury player. Adding to that, he really doesn't seem to fit in to O'Neill's philosophy either. It's interesting looking at who he's going to replace too, which looks to be Larsson, an inferior footballer no doubt but someone who produced well in terms of goals and assists last season, in my opinion it'll statistically be a like for like swap. Fletcher is someone who I think will improve them though, yes they've paid over the odds but he offers what Bendtner did in terms of overall play and has a higher goal threat as well as being a hard worker. I think with him on board they'll snatch a top half finish. Still got 7 goals in his last two seasons despite being a bit part player for Man City. Also has more pace than you give him credit for. He's not slow but he's not particularly quick either, so he doesn't really fit in with O'Neill's philosophy there. There were also comments that he has poor decision making too. Larsson got 7 goals last season and he wasn't playing for the best team in the division, checking last season's 6 in the league for Johnson, they don't really look great all things considered, all came in thumpings against poor opposition (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/55814/adam-johnson?cc=5739). The mackems are a different ball game that require far more input, something he's been noted to not do. To put it simply, he's 25 and has never consistently proven himself at a Premier League club, I don't think he's as significant an improvement as people make out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 If I remember correctly, there was a thing here about MoN really not buying much from outside Britain. Seems to be showing with their money moves on domestic footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 With MON in the league it does rather mean a lot of other clubs can make good by selling their middle of the road english players I can just see it, quick MON got a job offer him all this turgid crap and we can get some proper players in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 So looks like they're getting Fletcher and Johnson. Decent players, will definitely improve them. Shame that for the same kind of money we got Cabaye, Ba, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Bigirimana, Amalfitano, Anita, Santon, Gosling, Marveaux and Obertan Top value-for-money scouting MON! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 So looks like they're getting Fletcher and Johnson. Decent players, will definitely improve them. Shame that for the same kind of money we got Cabaye, Ba, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Bigirimana, Amalfitano, Anita, Santon, Gosling, Marveaux and Obertan Top value-for-money scouting MON! To be fair I'd pay that kind of money to get rid of Obertan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Johnson will probably be a good signing for them. They are certainly paying up serious dough for their players though. Could be risky business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Johnson's still a bit of an unknown entity. Who knows how much he's stagnated in City's reserves? It's happened before with other players in similar situations; we know more about that than most. Where Liverpool's mega-spunking is just plain over-valuation of players, what Sunderland have done is pure 'panic fees' iyam. Not frightened by either of those signings tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Johnson has been promoted to Head Office, didn't reach the mark and then has been sent back to one of the smaller branches where he might cope better. Many backward steps for him, be interesting to see how he copes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 So looks like they're getting Fletcher and Johnson. Decent players, will definitely improve them. Shame that for the same kind of money we got Cabaye, Ba, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Bigirimana, Amalfitano, Anita, Santon, Gosling, Marveaux and Obertan Top value-for-money scouting MON! Those two alone will cost way more than half the cost of our first choice eleven ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Thats the thing, whats the point of spunking so much money on these two if its only going to improve them by two or three places in the league. Its a recipe for disaster imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Gonna be totally honest here. Fletcher is a good buy i think, albeit an expensive one. Johnson has been quality all times i've seen him, looking a real threat every time. Hopefully he has stagnated while not playing for city.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Johnsons the first one i imagine could help them step it up a bit attacking wise, Fletchers a good player but not one you'd expect to take them up a level. He's a decent striker, 6-7m decent though nowhere near 15m or whatever nonsense theyve paid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Jack Colback is a rank average footballer. As long as they never improve on him and Catts for me like they will always be a limited team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Johnson is a fantastic player and signing for them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Wolves supporting mate just liked this http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/223817_356428864438308_597594238_n.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vinny Green Balls Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Frankly, their team still looks underwhelming as whole. Certainly doesn't look like one that will tear up trees. Upper Midtable is their ceiling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Frankly, their team still looks underwhelming as whole. Certainly doesn't look like one that will tear up trees. Upper Midtable is their ceiling. Im sure people were saying that about us last season......................... Not saying they will emulate us btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Sunderland won't come anywhere near our achievement last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 possibly. but seriously, Cattermole and Colbeck? Spunking that much on one decent player and one good player when they have a lot of dross in the team seems madness, but completely in line with MON's dealings, as has been highlighted ad nauseum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Just seen O'Neill saying about Fletcher "He's underrated, but not by me!' No shit. £14,000,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Just seen O'Neill saying about Fletcher "He's underrated, but not by me!' No shit. £14,000,000. Aye heard that on Total Sport on the way home. Best thing about it is the thick Mackems lap it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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