Ryan_Taylor Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I like that everyone has gone from not giving a fuck about them, to finding them a disgrace to football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 they can even make it as BREAKING NEWS on Sky News..BREAKING NEWS ffs..that's what they wanted really..attention..really easy now for them to divert their anger and disgust to the bloke once they're relegated and utterly forget the fact that it was Marty who f***ed them upside down and run the club to ruins on the pitch and also their financial accounts.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here. What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that. I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here. What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that. I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times. But it has interfered with his job... http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2013/04/dicanio.jpg You're talking about whitewashing the history of the game because you find the political side unpalatable. Politics and football are linked. End of story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? Ask West Ham about their new stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/01/sunderlands-own-goal-paolo-di-canio not sure if this has been posted before, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal. Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty. I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money. I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't. I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs. Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids? Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly? Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager. However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists. Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent. There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini. You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was. Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved. Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field. Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. What about Rangers and Celtic, their whole rivalry is based on Protestantism/Loyalism v Catholicism/Republicanism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. they do if the places have a political identity to speak of, what's NUFC's political identity out of interest? i'd suggest there are a few exceptions in the game where politics and teams are inextricably linked and mixed, but it's very far from the norm especially in the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisjraby Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Can't wait to see him at the derby, cannot see it ending well for his (in)sanity! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/01/sunderlands-own-goal-paolo-di-canio not sure if this has been posted before, I like the end to that article: "While in modern-day Greece they ban you for injuring the human character of football, in Sunderland it can get you made manager." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Can't wait to see him at the derby, cannot see it ending well for his (in)sanity! 'You're just a sad fascist bastard' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. they do if the places have a political identity to speak of, what's NUFC's politics identity out of interest? i'd suggest there are a few exceptions in the game where politics and teams are inextricably linked and mixed, but it's very far from the norm especially in the UK I think Sky and the emergence of the Premier League has sanitised the game in this country, but to suggest that UK clubs don't have a political identity is a bit daft even if it is less overt than in other nations. I'd consider clubs like Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. to all have a political identity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Can't wait to see him at the derby, cannot see it ending well for his (in)sanity! 'You're just a sad fascist bastard' we should plaster the ground with anti-racism shit, cover the sports direct signs and that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 "Nope. I've been in Swindon for around 20 years and PdC has joined the ranks of beloved Swindon managers like Lou Macari and Glenn Hoddle. PdC is what I would describe as just on the right side of madness, but I never saw anything that didn't make me think that his heart wasn't in the right place. How many Graun writers would complain if a band had a photoshoot with the dictator Raul Castro, or wore a T-shirt of Che Guevara, a man who had people executed without trial? Given the choice (and it's hardly a good one), I'd rather have lived under Mussolini than Castro." Swindon Young COnservatives Club looks like good opportunity to get on a soapbox.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Politics and football are linked. End of story. can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. they do if the places have a political identity to speak of, what's NUFC's politics identity out of interest? i'd suggest there are a few exceptions in the game where politics and teams are inextricably linked and mixed, but it's very far from the norm especially in the UK I think Sky and the emergence of the Premier League has sanitised the game in this country, but to suggest that UK clubs don't have a political identity is a bit daft even if it is less overt than in other nations. I'd consider clubs like Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. to all have a political identity. perhaps my interpretation of political identity differs from yours, i'd say it certainly does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Looks like an extremist regime is developing already down there. Just seen bits of the farcical/comical press conference and there was a hysterical sounding woman continually screeching at reporters that they could not ask the questions that most people, including Sunderland fans, wanted answers to. So press freedom of speech is now banned at SAFC. They just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'd rather have lived under Mussolini than Castro." Swindon Young COnservatives Club anyone have the full quotes from when di canio said he was a fascist and was misquoted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Their fans are always complaining they are ignored in the media - they've got their wish now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 What I can't believe is how naive Sunderland as a football has been towards this whole saga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Sky Sports keep saying stuff like: New Regime. New Leader. They probably use those words all the time, but they've taken a new twist now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 what I've found funny is the line from the likes of Bird and Caulkin is, "crazy presser! PdC very outspoken.... Anyway, off to Lisbon now!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'd rather have lived under Mussolini than Castro." Swindon Young COnservatives Club anyone have the full quotes from when di canio said he was a fascist and was misquoted? In that press conference yesterday, i dont think he said he was 'misquoted', just complained that the media had taken that one quote ("I am a fascist, not a racist") and used it to portray him negatively. He has never denied saying it, or claimed to have been misquoted as far as i've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 What I can't believe is how naive Sunderland as a football has been towards this whole saga. Really. This is a place where they still find the word 'coloured' as an acceptable way of describing black footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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