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Politics and football are linked. End of story.

 

can you expand on that?

 

I already have earlier in the thread.

 

Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams.

 

they do if the places have a political identity to speak of, what's NUFC's politics identity out of interest?  i'd suggest there are a few exceptions in the game where politics and teams are inextricably linked and mixed, but it's very far from the norm especially in the UK

I think Sky and the emergence of the Premier League has sanitised the game in this country, but to suggest that UK clubs don't have a political identity is a bit daft even if it is less overt than in other nations. I'd consider clubs like Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. to all have a political identity.

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"Nope. I've been in Swindon for around 20 years and PdC has joined the ranks of beloved Swindon managers like Lou Macari and Glenn Hoddle.

 

PdC is what I would describe as just on the right side of madness, but I never saw anything that didn't make me think that his heart wasn't in the right place.

 

How many Graun writers would complain if a band had a photoshoot with the dictator Raul Castro, or wore a T-shirt of Che Guevara, a man who had people executed without trial? Given the choice (and it's hardly a good one), I'd rather have lived under Mussolini than Castro."      Swindon Young COnservatives Club

 

looks like good opportunity to get on a soapbox....

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Politics and football are linked. End of story.

 

can you expand on that?

 

I already have earlier in the thread.

 

Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams.

 

they do if the places have a political identity to speak of, what's NUFC's politics identity out of interest?  i'd suggest there are a few exceptions in the game where politics and teams are inextricably linked and mixed, but it's very far from the norm especially in the UK

I think Sky and the emergence of the Premier League has sanitised the game in this country, but to suggest that UK clubs don't have a political identity is a bit daft even if it is less overt than in other nations. I'd consider clubs like Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. to all have a political identity.

 

perhaps my interpretation of political identity differs from yours, i'd say it certainly does

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Looks like an extremist regime is developing already down there.

Just seen bits of the farcical/comical press conference and there was a hysterical sounding woman continually screeching at reporters that they could not ask the questions that most people, including Sunderland fans, wanted answers to.

 

So press freedom of speech is now banned at SAFC. They just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves.

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Sky Sports keep saying stuff like:

 

New Regime.

New Leader.

 

They probably use those words all the time, but they've taken a new twist now.

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I'd rather have lived under Mussolini than Castro."      Swindon Young COnservatives Club

 

:kinnear:

 

anyone have the full quotes from when di canio said he was a fascist and was misquoted?

 

In that press conference yesterday, i dont think he said he was 'misquoted', just complained that the media had taken that one quote ("I am a fascist, not a racist") and used it to portray him negatively.

 

He has never denied saying it, or claimed to have been misquoted as far as i've seen.

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Oh Dear!

 

graeme anderson‏@sunechograeme

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Kicks off big style in nationals with direct questions:"Are you a fascist, yes or no" Press conf. Press conf cut short. Hell on as they say.

 

graeme anderson‏@sunechograeme

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Fair to say, Paolo might struggle to get a positive spin in the nationals. Club could get a kicking too. Interesting times.

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Was any of this brought up when he was Swindon manager?

 

Its been said before, there are other reasons this has made headlines, but one is undoutedly that Sunderland are a higher profile club than Swindon, and top flight (for the time being).

 

Its much like us and the Wonga deal. Not as many headlines when they sponsored Blackpool And Hearts(?).

 

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Politics and football are linked. End of story.

 

can you expand on that?

 

I already have earlier in the thread.

 

Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams.

 

This is utter nonsense - NUFC is in what is generally accepted as a Labour voting area, but many of the fans share a love of the club whilst having totally different views about politics - and politics should NOT enter sport, OR be linked to it. Hitler tried that in the 30s but the England Team(and Jesse Owens in the Olympics)rammed that down his throat....similarly, the Soviets and Chinese have both tried to use sport to boost Communism and ironically, the Chinese have only started to show at the top of Olympic medal tables since they moved away from Maoism and to what is basically a Capitalist economy. Ask the likes of Olga Korbut and various Iron Curtain gymnasts what they thought of sport being used to foster a political agenda...

 

As for Barca and Real, the only way they represent a political viewpoint is because the Catalans want autonomy from Spain and they identify Barca's successes with that aim, just as Real fans use Madrid as an emblem of Spanish would-be supremacy. There is NO similar situation in the UK unless you use the former rivalry between Celtic and Rangers and that is based on religion rather than politics - another thing which should be kept separate from sport.

If you are trying to identify NUFC and most other Northern sides with the left wing of politics, it is hardly worth it if you subscribe to that view because apart from the 2 Manchester clubs, one of whom has many southerners in its fan-base, the northern clubs are not as successful whereas clubs in London(viewed by many Northerners as a den of Toryism)like Spurs and Arsenal have been more successful......

 

Politics has NO place in football whatsoever - either to boost the Right OR the Left and every effort should be made to keep the 2 separate. I agree with Felipao's views about the whole thing and about Di Canio...

As I said before, I am far more concerned about his possible impact on the Mackems - and hence, on our chances of relegation - than any madcap political stance/demonstration he might make. If he replicates his successes at Swindon, any Socialists in the Sunderland fan-base won't give 2 stuffs about his views....

 

As Felipao said, we should be far more concerned about appointing a Lge 1 manager with a dodgy managerial record behind him........

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Fascist this and fascist that. Why hasn't he been hounded out of England yet? Why was he allowed back in the country to begin with? Are Swindon fans who wanted the club to keep him "a bit special" too?

 

His political views are absolutely irrelevant. He's a football manager, end of story

 

 

 

Number of black managers in the top flight = zero.

 

 

 

Chris Hughton says hello  :razz:

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The whole appointment has descended into a shit storm already :lol:

 

Mind, putting the whole rivalry aside there's a whole hoast of old school loyal fans like the miners association who are generally shocked and appalled at the whole thing.

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