sunderland

[cp40]

genuine question; where was the outrage when he was appointed boss of swindon from the same posters on here, or does it only matter now he's hit the big time?

 

 

directed at whoever else was the Sunderland manager at the time.

[Dokko]

I forgot Swindon are our local rivals.

[themanupstairs]

So we're concerned about the free-speech loving tabloid journalists now?

 

These s*** stirring t***s are a massive problem, and very very few of them are a credit to their profession.

 

But you can't criticise them for that!  It's journalism, not politics.  What do their views and actions have to do with anything?  If you express your opinion on their behaviour you're basically oppressing them, stop it.

 

How is journalism and politics not directly linked? The profession was created and continues to be used to influence public opinion! SAFC is a privately owned company and they can ban whoever they like from their press conferences. Once again, I don't deny that the club has brought this shit storm on itself. Whether they intended to do that or not, they're now scrambling to try and deal with it. As long as they do that without breaking any laws, then so what?

[BlueStar]

genuine question; where was the outrage when he was appointed boss of swindon from the same posters on here, or does it only matter now he's hit the big time?

 

I genuinely don't even understand why this question has to be asked.  There'd be more outrage if Nick Griffin became a member of cabinet then if he became MP.  There'd be more outrage on here if a jihadi sympathiser was the CEO of Amazon than if he was the boss of a haulage firm in Kent.  There'd be more outrage on here if someone with extreme views took over North Tyneside council than if they took over somewhere in London or France.  Proximity and the high-profile or otherwise nature of the position, it's no real mystery.  We've had a thread on the mackems sicne the board was opened, go have a look in the Swindon thread to see if it was discussed there.

[Pilko]

Referring to himself in the third person

 

Glenn Roeder thinks Paulo di Canio sounds ridiculous talking in the third person..... Roeder was quoted as saying, earlier today

[BlueStar]

So we're concerned about the free-speech loving tabloid journalists now?

 

These s*** stirring t***s are a massive problem, and very very few of them are a credit to their profession.

 

But you can't criticise them for that!  It's journalism, not politics.  What do their views and actions have to do with anything?  If you express your opinion on their behaviour you're basically oppressing them, stop it.

 

How is journalism and politics not directly linked? The profession was created and continues to be used to influence public opinion! SAFC is a privately owned company and they can ban whoever they like from their press conferences. Once again, I don't deny that the club has brought this shit storm on itself. Whether they intended to do that or not, they're now scrambling to try and deal with it. As long as they do that without breaking any laws, then so what?

 

Football influences public opinion!  It probably influences public opinion more than every leaflet put through every bloody door in the country!  The very fact that this debate is going on is evidence that it's not 'so what', people have a pretty non-controversial opinion that they don't want a fascist manager in the premier league and people are trying to imply they can't hold that opinion because it somehow infringes on the rights of others for reasons I can't quite pin down.  Paolo Di Canio has the right to be a fascist, other people have the right to believe he's a fucking cunt for holding those views, that they don't want him in the club or the league or the sport and they will continue to say so.

[themanupstairs]

So we're concerned about the free-speech loving tabloid journalists now?

 

These s*** stirring t***s are a massive problem, and very very few of them are a credit to their profession.

 

But you can't criticise them for that!  It's journalism, not politics.  What do their views and actions have to do with anything?  If you express your opinion on their behaviour you're basically oppressing them, stop it.

 

How is journalism and politics not directly linked? The profession was created and continues to be used to influence public opinion! SAFC is a privately owned company and they can ban whoever they like from their press conferences. Once again, I don't deny that the club has brought this s*** storm on itself. Whether they intended to do that or not, they're now scrambling to try and deal with it. As long as they do that without breaking any laws, then so what?

 

Football influences public opinion!  It probably influences public opinion more than every leaflet put through every bloody door in the country!  The very fact that this debate is going on is evidence that it's not 'so what', people have a pretty non-controversial opinion that they don't want a fascist manager in the premier league and people are trying to imply they can't hold that opinion because it somehow infringes on the rights of others for reasons I can't quite pin down.  Paolo Di Canio has the right to be a fascist, other people have the right to believe he's a f***ing c*** for holding those views and they will continue to say so.

 

Not going to disagree with that at all. However, PL or L2, it shouldn't matter imo. He'll be in as much of a role model position to kids growing up in Sunderland as he was for kids growing up in Swindon.

[BlueStar]

Hope other fans jump on the bandwagon and start giving him shit.  Sadly they've got Chelsea next and they like a bit of right-wing - but fascism has always conflicted far-right hooligans.  On the one hand they admire the strident nationalism, on the other they want to glorify England's war victories against that very ideology.  Hopefully his West Ham links will push it to the latter and they'll go for the whole "10 fascist bombers" route.  That's the stick the Sun is using to beat him with today.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4869485/War-veterans-boycott-fascist-Sunderland-manager-Paolo-Di-Canio.html

[mrmojorisin75]

genuine question; where was the outrage when he was appointed boss of swindon from the same posters on here, or does it only matter now he's hit the big time?

 

I genuinely don't even understand why this question has to be asked.  There'd be more outrage if Nick Griffin became a member of cabinet then if he became MP.  There'd be more outrage on here if a jihadi sympathiser was the CEO of Amazon than if he was the boss of a haulage firm in Kent.  There'd be more outrage on here if someone with extreme views took over North Tyneside council than if they took over somewhere in London or France.  Proximity and the high-profile or otherwise nature of the position, it's no real mystery.  We've had a thread on the mackems sicne the board was opened, go have a look in the Swindon thread to see if it was discussed there.

 

as so it's not the principle then, it's the heightened level of publicity that's bothering people and the fact it's sunderland

 

just wanted to know

[themanupstairs]

genuine question; where was the outrage when he was appointed boss of swindon from the same posters on here, or does it only matter now he's hit the big time?

 

I genuinely don't even understand why this question has to be asked.  There'd be more outrage if Nick Griffin became a member of cabinet then if he became MP.  There'd be more outrage on here if a jihadi sympathiser was the CEO of Amazon than if he was the boss of a haulage firm in Kent.  There'd be more outrage on here if someone with extreme views took over North Tyneside council than if they took over somewhere in London or France.  Proximity and the high-profile or otherwise nature of the position, it's no real mystery.  We've had a thread on the mackems sicne the board was opened, go have a look in the Swindon thread to see if it was discussed there.

 

as so it's not the principle then, it's the heightened level of publicity that's bothering people and the fact it's sunderland

 

just wanted to know

 

Spot on.

[BlueStar]

So we're concerned about the free-speech loving tabloid journalists now?

 

These s*** stirring t***s are a massive problem, and very very few of them are a credit to their profession.

 

But you can't criticise them for that!  It's journalism, not politics.  What do their views and actions have to do with anything?  If you express your opinion on their behaviour you're basically oppressing them, stop it.

 

How is journalism and politics not directly linked? The profession was created and continues to be used to influence public opinion! SAFC is a privately owned company and they can ban whoever they like from their press conferences. Once again, I don't deny that the club has brought this s*** storm on itself. Whether they intended to do that or not, they're now scrambling to try and deal with it. As long as they do that without breaking any laws, then so what?

 

Football influences public opinion!  It probably influences public opinion more than every leaflet put through every bloody door in the country!  The very fact that this debate is going on is evidence that it's not 'so what', people have a pretty non-controversial opinion that they don't want a fascist manager in the premier league and people are trying to imply they can't hold that opinion because it somehow infringes on the rights of others for reasons I can't quite pin down.  Paolo Di Canio has the right to be a fascist, other people have the right to believe he's a f***ing c*** for holding those views and they will continue to say so.

 

Not going to disagree with that at all. However, PL or L2, it shouldn't matter imo. He'll be in as much of a role model position to kids growing up in Sunderland as he was for kids growing up in Swindon.

 

But there's a lot of kids that follow the premier league and know the name and personality of every manager in it.  How many could name Swindon's current manager, and know what kind of person he is to be allowed to hold that position?

[Benwell Lad]

genuine question; where was the outrage when he was appointed boss of swindon from the same posters on here, or does it only matter now he's hit the big time?

 

Not sure there's been any "outrage" on here. Lots of discussion about what is THE hot topic in sport right now maybe. More "outrage" amongst their own fans tbh.

Anyway social media discussion is not the real story, whether it's mackems saying they "wouldn't care if Hitler was their manager as long as he got results", or supporters of other clubs and journalists putting the boot in.

 

What is certain though, is that a little club in the north east of England who hardly anyone around the world had previously heard of will, rightly or wrongly, be associated with facism from now on.

It was a very ill judged appointment and makes you wonder if whoever is making the decisions down there has a clue about what they're doing.

[BlueStar]

genuine question; where was the outrage when he was appointed boss of swindon from the same posters on here, or does it only matter now he's hit the big time?

 

I genuinely don't even understand why this question has to be asked.  There'd be more outrage if Nick Griffin became a member of cabinet then if he became MP.  There'd be more outrage on here if a jihadi sympathiser was the CEO of Amazon than if he was the boss of a haulage firm in Kent.  There'd be more outrage on here if someone with extreme views took over North Tyneside council than if they took over somewhere in London or France.  Proximity and the high-profile or otherwise nature of the position, it's no real mystery.  We've had a thread on the mackems sicne the board was opened, go have a look in the Swindon thread to see if it was discussed there.

 

as so it's not the principle then, it's the heightened level of publicity that's bothering people and the fact it's sunderland

 

just wanted to know

 

No, it is exactly the principle.  Being a manager at the top level is an honour and makes you a much more public figure.  Giving someone a job at the very top of their profession validates their beliefs far more than if they're at a lower level.  But you knew that, unless you didn't read my post.

[TaylorJ_01]

This is great. So great. His first game is going to be hilarious.

[mrmojorisin75]

Giving someone a job at the very top of their profession validates their beliefs far more than if they're at a lower level.  But you knew that.

 

i'm afraid this is absolute shite

[BlueStar]

Just realised I've got an AS Roma scarf in my loft, might dig it out for the derby.

 

Song suggestions?  I think "What would your grandad say" would stir things up nicely if directed at the away support.

[themanupstairs]

So we're concerned about the free-speech loving tabloid journalists now?

 

These s*** stirring t***s are a massive problem, and very very few of them are a credit to their profession.

 

But you can't criticise them for that!  It's journalism, not politics.  What do their views and actions have to do with anything?  If you express your opinion on their behaviour you're basically oppressing them, stop it.

 

How is journalism and politics not directly linked? The profession was created and continues to be used to influence public opinion! SAFC is a privately owned company and they can ban whoever they like from their press conferences. Once again, I don't deny that the club has brought this s*** storm on itself. Whether they intended to do that or not, they're now scrambling to try and deal with it. As long as they do that without breaking any laws, then so what?

 

Football influences public opinion!  It probably influences public opinion more than every leaflet put through every bloody door in the country!  The very fact that this debate is going on is evidence that it's not 'so what', people have a pretty non-controversial opinion that they don't want a fascist manager in the premier league and people are trying to imply they can't hold that opinion because it somehow infringes on the rights of others for reasons I can't quite pin down.  Paolo Di Canio has the right to be a fascist, other people have the right to believe he's a f***ing c*** for holding those views and they will continue to say so.

 

Not going to disagree with that at all. However, PL or L2, it shouldn't matter imo. He'll be in as much of a role model position to kids growing up in Sunderland as he was for kids growing up in Swindon.

 

But there's a lot of kids that follow the premier league and know the name and personality of every manager in it.  How many could name Swindon's current manager, and know what kind of person he is to be allowed to hold that position?

 

And this is what I completely disagree with. If this was a true campaign to protect the values of a democratic nation, it wouldn't matter how high profile the club he's taken charge of was. It's like saying a few civilian casualties in war torn country are less important than a celebrity that's been killed by a drunk driver. It's just not right imo.

[Pilko]

Giving someone a job at the very top of their profession validates their beliefs far more than if they're at a lower level.  But you knew that.

 

i'm afraid this is absolute shite

 

How is it? If Hitler had the same beliefs but was just some bloke who worked in the local currywurst shop then do you think he'd be the figure in history he is now?

[Benwell Lad]

Anyway, if di Canio fucks up will it still be Brucey's fault ?

[Skeletor]

Anyway, if di Canio fucks up will it still be Brucey's fault ?

 

The Magedia's fault probably.

[BlueStar]

I can't believe I'm even having the conversation

 

Every time there's a scandal about bungs in the premier league, or someone punches a fan, or someone makes a racist comment on the pitch, or there's a terrible refereeing decision or tackle are we going to say "How come you're not talking about this similar incident between Shrewsbury and Crawley?  WHERE WAS THE OUTRAGE?  How come the papers are reporting on that and not this?  Isn't Tom Eves also a role model for children?  Why are you victimising this guy?  Huh? HUH?"

 

Something being allowed in the premier league makes a bigger statement about how acceptable it is in football than the same thing happening in Blue Square North. Yes?

[maybe_next_year]

Sunderland should of seen his coming, being a manager in the premier league is always going to be a job in the public eye, even at a smaller club like the mackems or Wigan. His appointment was always going to be scrutinised and talked about.

 

Re: the argument about politics and football mixing. I can understand people not wanting the two mixed, but ultimatly football shapes and influences millions, so when a club appoints a man who has openly flaunted his facist views on the pitch and in the press in the past, it, rightly should be given the bad press it has received.

 

It's disgraceful that Sunderland have appointed a man, who made Nazi salutes while playing, the position of Sunderland Manager is one that can influence the upbringing of kids across Sunderland and thats hardly setting a good example is it.

[mrmojorisin75]

Giving someone a job at the very top of their profession validates their beliefs far more than if they're at a lower level.  But you knew that.

 

i'm afraid this is absolute shite

 

How is it? If Hitler had the same beliefs but was just some bloke who worked in the local currywurst shop then do you think he'd be the figure in history he is now?

 

i don't know if i'm being trolled here or not, he's being compared to hitler now?  i agree with what bluestar says if the profession is in some way political in nature but to say that sunderland giving di canio the job is a vindication of his political beliefs isn't the same imo

[Benwell Lad]

Sunderland should of seen his coming, being a manager in the premier league is always going to be a job in the public eye, even at a smaller club like the mackems or Wigan. His appointment was always going to be scrutinised and talked about.

 

Re: the argument about politics and football mixing. I can understand people not wanting the two mixed, but ultimatly football shapes and influences millions, so when a club appoints a man who has openly flaunted his facist views on the pitch and in the press in the past, it, rightly should be given the bad press it has received.

 

It's disgraceful that Sunderland have appointed a man, who made Nazi salutes while playing, the position of Sunderland Manager is one that can influence the upbringing of kids across Sunderland and thats hardly setting a good example is it.

 

Mr.M. making his decision to quit in protest at the appointment ensured that this story would become an essentially political one.

[midds]

Looked rattled as fuck in that presser. Not sure he'll cope with the pressure.