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madras

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Now he's prepared to talk about it. Some journo will no doubt ask......

 

" what did you mean by 'I'm a fascist, not a racist ' ? If taken out of context, in what context did you mean it ? "

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[bBC Newcastle]: Durham Miners now letting their banner stay at the Stadium of Far Right, following Di Canio's statement today.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Wonder if Miliband will ask for his job back, next??!!

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I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal.

 

Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty.

 

I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money.

 

I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't.

 

I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs.

 

Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids?

 

Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly?

 

Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager.

 

However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists.

 

Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent.

 

There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini.

 

You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was.

 

Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved.

 

 

Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc

 

Decency still exists on the SMB.

That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there.

 

Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics.

 

What is a football club?

 

What is politics?

 

I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here.

 

What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that.

 

I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times.

 

 

 

That's a massive assumption. Core beliefs influence everything we do and say, all the time, whether we're at work or not.

 

No, a massive assumption is to suggest that his belief has any effect/impact on the world and the way we live. People need to try and get a larger perspective of things.

 

You have made a massive assumption stating that his beliefs haven't interfered with his job, I'm saying that as human beings our core beliefs interfere with everything we do, at all times. I'd be interested to see you try and deny that.

 

You've also falsely attributed an assumption to me.

 

:lol: Correct, I'm not denying that though, because as of now Di Canio hasn't let his views interfere with his job. I don't care how much you want it to be true, but as of now you are talking utter bullshit and hypothetically. Has Di Canio fired all his players that do interfere with his supposed race policy? Has Di Canio done this at Swindon? Has Di Canio ever talked badly about a race? Has Di Canio by calling himself a fascist ever treated people worse at football clubs because they didn't agree with his views? After all the italian fascism wasn't an anti-semitic movement until they found an ally in Germany. Mussolini was and will be forever known as an opportunist. I doubt the man himself had any clear political views and rather only followed what he thought would help him consolidate his powers. I'd suggest some to read upon it before giving their opinions on matter they obviously know very little about. Di Canio for me is the same. He does what other people wants him to do, he's a puppet. I'm not questioning that his views are utter fucking ridiculous, I just don't agree with the witchhunt. I rather he failed for footballing reasons at that vile club than for people disagreeing with political views that he himself and the rest of the journalists in the UK seem to know very little about.

 

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S.S.R.

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I was willing to let the fascist thing slide, but he can fuck off after that.

 

Edit: So now he's come out and said "I'm not a fascist."?

 

I at least respected him before he sold out his beliefs for a lucrative contract.

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Grateful that our grandfathers were able to work together and stop that terrible scourge from taking over Europe.

 

If you can read this up there, Grandad, thanks for stopping Toploader.

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bhoywhonder

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Be interesting to see if the posters on RTG who have been defending/redefining/ignoring/supporting his stance will similarly start macktracking and remember they don't like Fascism either, now its been revealed their duce has had a change of heart.

 

Whats strange is that some of them think the timing of his statement was a strategic coup, and not an embarrassing volte-face brought on by intense and unexpected scrutiny, condemnation and vitriol. Take this for instance....

 

It had to be done, credit to the club and PDC for delaying it for a few days, definitely brought attention to our club, whether it was positive or negative.

 

Well allow me to clear it up for you. 48 hours ago no-one cared about you and most outside the UK hadn't heard of you. Now everyone thinks you're c*nts. So..... negative.

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Hope someone asks him if he feels like he's insulted his parents after abandoning the values they gave him.

 

I keep thinking what values they gave him. Either way he has abandoned them if his press conference is anything to go by :lol:

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NOT A FASCIST.

 

Just says that he's a fascist, has a tattoo of the second most infamous fascist in the 20th century, does fascist salutes, hangs around with fascist ultras, and goes to the funeral of a fascist terrorist.

 

Here's one of his "best friend in English football", Chris Powell sticking up for him:  "He was a team mate. I got on well with him."

 

It's like one of the interviews Nick Griffin used to give about how he wasn't a racist.

 

 

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