PM Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 On 3rd March the International FA Board holds their AGM, and will discuss proposed changes to the Laws of the Game. As ever, some of these are dull, and centre around changing words here and there to clarify a pointless rule. But there are a couple of more interesting ones this time. The biggie proposed by FIFA is to make a change to the Denying an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity rule: If a player denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity outside the box, he will be sent off If a player denies a goal or goalscoring opportunity by handling the ball inside the box, he will be sent off If a player denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity by holding or a tackle from behind inside the box, he will only be sent off if he is deemed to have no opportunity of playing the ball This would remove the triple jeopardy scenario whereby red card + penalty (and therefore a likely goal) and latterly a suspension result from what may be a legitimate attempt to win the ball which is just slightly mistimed (or even where the referee makes a mistake - see Beye v Man City the other year). Was just wondering if anyone cares/has any thoughts on it? There's been great clamour for it for quite a while now. (Full agenda is here. Another one proposed by FIFA is to allow the use of a 4th substitute if a match goes to Extra Time.) Arguably NWOAT like but whatever... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Wholeheartedly agree with that proposal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 On 3rd March the International FA Board holds their AGM, and will discuss proposed changes to the Laws of the Game. As ever, some of these are dull, and centre around changing words here and there to clarify a pointless rule. But there are a couple of more interesting ones this time. The biggie proposed by FIFA is to make a change to the Denying an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity rule: If a player denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity outside the box, he will be sent off If a player denies a goal or goalscoring opportunity by handling the ball inside the box, he will be sent off If a player denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity by holding or a tackle from behind inside the box, he will only be sent off if he is deemed to have no opportunity of playing the ball This would remove the triple jeopardy scenario whereby red card + penalty (and therefore a likely goal) and latterly a suspension result from what may be a legitimate attempt to win the ball which is just slightly mistimed (or even where the referee makes a mistake - see Beye v Man City the other year). Was just wondering if anyone cares/has any thoughts on it? There's been great clamour for it for quite a while now. (Full agenda is here. Another one proposed by FIFA is to allow the use of a 4th substitute if a match goes to Extra Time.) Arguably NWOAT like but whatever... I think the rule needs looking at, but their proposed solution looks a bit messy. Things need to be simplified. I'd just have a rule that any foul which denies a goal-scoring opportunity should be a penalty, whether it's inside or outside the box. The ref can decide whether it warrants a red or yellow in the same way that other fouls are judged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Even more for them to get wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Agree with that but would like to see the law excempt for gks since anything they're involved in is a goalscoring chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Agree with this. I think we'll see more penalties given as well. Would be good if they could sort out handball properly though, the current rule is not really applied- very few handballs are absolutely deliberate. Many are given becuase they have broken up play or prevented a goal but were entirely unavoidable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Agree with that but would like to see the law excempt for gks since anything they're involved in is a goalscoring chance Huh? Unless they're outside the box (unlikely) then as long as they don't deliberately deck someone then they won't need to be exempt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Anything that gets rid of the 'penalty + red card' thing is good enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 worth discussing if they score a penalty, stay on the pitch, miss = sent off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 whats the change ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 worth discussing if they score a penalty, stay on the pitch, miss = sent off? Not for me. Think of situations where all the subs have been used and the keeper makes a foul. They'd miss it deliberately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 All good ideas but if the ref is a complete tool, which most in our country are. If the changes are implemented, its then down to the ref's own point of view on any given incident, as we've seen our ref's are shocking. First and foremost we must get better ref's, secondly then use the technology available to help them get even better. If you overlook those two points then as "numbers" pointed out, its just more for them to get wrong, poor officials make poor decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 All good ideas but if the ref is a complete tool, which most in our country are. If the changes are implemented, its then down to the ref's own point of view on any given incident, as we've seen our ref's are shocking. First and foremost we must get better ref's, secondly then use the technology availableto help them get even better. If you overlook those two points then as "numbers" pointed out, its just more for them to get wrong, poor officials make poor decisions. The refs aren't nearly as incompetent as you make out. All this rule is asking them to judge is whether or not a) an offence is inside the box* and b) there was an attempt to get the ball. If anything it reduces the amount of opinion involved. If any professional referee struggles with these basics then we really are in trouble. *Yes, I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Was going to mention goalkeepers. Very often the double whammy of pen + keeper sent off just because they're obviously in a 'last defender' sort of position is much too harsh. The intent on fouling and likelihood of getting the ball should definitely be taken into account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 About time, hope they accept it. Hate it when there's a sending off and a penalty for a legitimate tackle that is just slightly mistimed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It looks like they will be ruling out any goals being scored when giving a ball back after the opposing team kicked out of play to stop play for an injury or other reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 wasn't that always the law. the player was only sent off if the ref thought the foul was deliberate to stop a goal scoring opportunity ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It looks like they will be ruling out any goals being scored when giving a ball back after the opposing team kicked out of play to stop play for an injury or other reason. What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It looks like they will be ruling out any goals being scored when giving a ball back after the opposing team kicked out of play to stop play for an injury or other reason. What? You can no longer score when giving the ball back to the opposing team via a throw in, drop ball etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpolpol Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Ambivalent. This would be good in the first half of games, no-one likes the double penalty so early on tipping the balance of the game But in the last minutes of the second half, when the conversion rate for penalties in tight games drops from about 80% to 60%, the idea of an attempt to get the ball saving the player from the red card as well would make the cynical bring down an even better gamble. If anything, the punishment for that kind of thing should be increased. I have no idea how you could sort it out though, without something crazy like having a rule where any foul in the box by when there are no other opposing players between the ball and the goal meaning there isn't a keeper for the penalty - which would put the conversion at at 100%, totally swinging it the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It looks like they will be ruling out any goals being scored when giving a ball back after the opposing team kicked out of play to stop play for an injury or other reason. What? You can no longer score when giving the ball back to the opposing team via a throw in, drop ball etc. Ah, you mean directly? Can't remember that ever happening tbh, even though I always think we should shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 On a side note, it's annoying how so many refs seem to think that just because a challenge results in a penalty it is necessarily also worthy of a yellow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It looks like they will be ruling out any goals being scored when giving a ball back after the opposing team kicked out of play to stop play for an injury or other reason. What? You can no longer score when giving the ball back to the opposing team via a throw in, drop ball etc. Ah, you mean directly? Can't remember that ever happening tbh, even though I always think we should shoot. Yeah thats what I think, anyway they want to stop it from happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 On a side note, it's annoying how so many refs seem think that just because a challenge results in a penalty it is necessarily also worthy of a yellow. Agree with this. It's so rare that a tackle in the box is reckless or cynical and worthy of a yellow card (although there was one at Norwich the other week that could've been red IIRC) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Would like to see much more use of the dissent rule to book players who surround the ref and/or abuse him. But that's more about enforcement than a change to the laws, because the law exists already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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