Dave Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 http://www.eplindex.com/11637/defensive-newcastle-statistical-graphical-analysis.html It’s not nice being the pessimist (or is it realist?) all of the time, but lets call a spade a spade – Arsenal deserved to win the game on Monday. If it had have been Newcastle who had 23 attempts compared to 4 and the game ended in a draw, the sticky stuff would have hit the fan! Newcastle have never learnt their lesson over the years – Theo Walcott loves playing the Toon! He has tortured the black and whites in nigh on every game he has played in recent years, scoring goals, laying on goals and generally wreaking havoc on nearly every left back Newcastle have put out. Having said all of that, Newcastle United did their damnedest against Arsenal, and if a point had have been the outcome, it would have been a very hard fought, if not slightly fortunate one. The effort and desire of the majority of the team cannot be questioned. However, this article does not originate from the worry regarding lack of effort or passion. More concerning is the way Newcastle are shipping in goals of late, particularly away from home. In their last 8 Premier League away games, the Mags have seeped in 20 goals. In their last 8 Premier League games overall, they’ve leaked in. That’s 2 goals per game, with the division’s average now 1.4 – Newcastle United’s overall 41 conceded goals is 2 over the average. Furthermore, those 16 goals in the last 8 is 10 more than the number of goals conceded in the first 8 games of the season. A time when our defence could do no wrong; a time when, with 3 English players, the country was raving of our superb back line and touting those players as possible England candidates. The dreaded injury to Steven Taylor did nothing to sustain Newcastle United’s brilliant defensive record – in the 14 games where the Geordie boy participated, only 13 goals were conceded. That’s a ratio of 0.93 goals conceded per game. In the 14 games since, Newcastle have let in 28 – that 2 goal per game ratio cropping in again. NUFC_Stats took a glance into the numbers for Newcastle’s defensive players this season and interrogated the whereabouts of the goals conceded in the Premier League. http://www.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/NUFC-DEFS-2.jpg A lot of the above numbers reflect the playing time which some of the players have had, but the percentage values shine some interesting light on some defensive aspects. It will probably come to the surprise of some, but Danny Simpson is the one that Newcastle probably need more than anyone at the moment. He has the best tackle involvement and tackle win rate out of all the Newcastle defenders. Another surprising one, will be the ground duel success of James Perch. He has a better percentage for ground duels won than any defensive player at Newcastle this season. He also happens to be Newcastle’ best defender aerially, winning only 6 aerial duels less than the ever-present Simpson, but having the best percentage again. http://www.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/NUFC-DEFS-1.jpg A simply amazing statistic beams out from the above – the fact that Steven Taylor, despite missing half of the campaign thus far, has made more total and successful headed clearances than anyone at Newcastle United in the Premier League this season. He’s also made the same amount of successful ‘total clearances’ as Argentinian centre back Fabricio Coloccini, but Danny Simpson is the ‘prevailer’ overall with 71. Mike Williamson has made just 15 fewer headed clearances than Colo from 15 less appearances. Only the Taylor’s have made an error this season that has led to a shot, but R.Taylor and Simpson have made errors leading to goals from the opposition. Simpson can be let off for this though, having made 6 goal line clearances – more than any other player in the Premier League. Where the goals have leaked height=400http://www.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/NUFC-CONCEDED.jpg[/img] Newcastle United conceded goals Quite definitive from the graphic that the central zone between the penalty spot and the goal has been the problem area this season. However, there aren’t many that have been slid in from the angle, which probably again highlights Tim Krul’s presence this season. Also, the number of goals conceded from outside the 18 yard box is pleasing, especially when you consider that Newcastle United have allowed a higher percentage of shots from that area than any other Premier League side (72%) this season. Further to that, Newcastle have conceded the least percentage of shots from the left hand side in the division (14%) and the 3rd least from the right (15%). height=400http://www.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/NUFC-OPP-ASSISTS.jpg[/img] Newcastle United - Opposition assists Although Newcastle seem to allow a lot of crosses this season, only 6 goals have been conceded from the ‘wide flank’ area. Moreover, to concede directly from just 1 corner in 28 games so far is also pretty satisfying – on initial reflection of the goals conceded, it was thought that those aerial values would have been a lot higher. It is that central area that causes Newcastle problems; teams have been getting right through the ‘heart’ of Newcastle all season and the graphic shows that once in there, if the goal is not conceded straight by the ball holder, a teammate is usually thereabouts to help. Finally, a quick look at the goals conceded numbers for the 14 games in which Steven Taylor played shows that the problematic central area is still evident, but the amount of assists occurring in there is completely nullified. height=400http://www.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/GOALS-SAYLOR-PLAYED.jpg[/img] Newcastle United goals conceded and opposition assists in Steven Taylor's 14 games Most fans would agree that the failure to purchase a good, experienced central defender in the January window was a big mistake. While Mike Williamson is a good contender aerially, he lacks mobility and guile on the ground and the quick, agile forwards get their way far too easily around him. Steven Taylor has been a massive miss in the heart of Newcastle’s defence and the cover the team has at the moment is simply not good enough for a Premier League club challenging for European places. While Danny Simpson and Davide Santon have their moments, the jury is still out on their Premier League ability, particularly Santon. Most fans seem to have made their minds up on Danny Simpson but you have to consider Man Utd’s lenient stance on his departure in the first place – would they have let a ‘European-class’ defender leave? There isn’t anything anyone can do from now until the season’s end – here’s just hoping the season doesn’t flutter out into a mediocre placed finishing campaign, when so much hard work and endeavour has gone into getting the club where they are now. Norwich next, and Newcastle owe them one, BIG TIME! Interesting stuff IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 "A spade a spade"? http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/match-centre/article730506.ece/ALTERNATES/gallery-large/luiz-suarez-liverpool-newcastle-cropped (Still, it is a good read) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I knew Williamson was shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 It is interesting. The first thought that popped into my head re shipping goals in the centre was the fact that Colo is all too frequently marauding over to left back position, the second was Mike Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I guess you should compare it to other clubs though, before reaching definite conclusions. I'm sure that most goals are scored from a central position within the box, so you might not have such a problem there compared to the average team. What's exactly considered a "clearance" in this statistic? Also would love to have a stat for interceptions, tackles are just a part of defending. To me, the really good defenders are the ones that don't allow the ball to reach the attacker they are marking to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Good stats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I guess you should compare it to other clubs though, before reaching definite conclusions. I'm sure that most goals are scored from a central position within the box, so you might not have such a problem there compared to the average team. What's exactly considered a "clearance" in this statistic? Also would love to have a stat for interceptions, tackles are just a part of defending. To me, the really good defenders are the ones that don't allow the ball to reach the attacker they are marking to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Sorry mate but you'll have to do much better than that as an opening post. The subject is not off limits but it is going to take a better, longer and more considered OP than that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Taylor is brilliant at dealing with all sorts of crosses into the box and has a completley different confidence going into a tackle in comparison to Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Sorry mate but you'll have to do much better than that as an opening post. The subject is not off limits but it is going to take a better, longer and more considered OP than that one. Insolence. Banned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Very interesting indeed. Perchy comes off quite well looking at those stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skryp2nit3 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Another tactical discussion on our midfield. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/03/15/tiote-cabaye/ Cant view it though since I'm not in the uk. Anyone knows of any proxies that would work? Tried a bunch of free ones and they're all crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I don't know why (perhaps I need a blog to tell me the obvious) but I find ZonalMarking pretty annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Colocinni & Cabaye cleared up for interceptions & Colo for winning possession in the defensive 3rd in a diff article that was on here last week. He was well ahead of the others. It is an interesting read. We seem well drilled but losing Saylor was a huge loss, the guy was always blocking/clearing attacks somehow. Different level to Williamson as people say. Simpson/Perchs stats are suprisingly good actually. From that most of the goals actually seem to be conceded slightly to the right of the penalty spot on Colo's side oddly enough, suggesting he gets pulled out of position trying to cover others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I don't know why (perhaps I need a blog to tell me the obvious) but I find ZonalMarking pretty annoying. Typical coach attitude. Nee interest in stats, just shout at the lads, tell them to get stuck in, and then wander off for your weekly meat and potato pie. English football is in the gutter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I don't know why (perhaps I need a blog to tell me the obvious) but I find ZonalMarking pretty annoying. Typical coach attitude. Nee interest in stats, just shout at the lads, tell them to get stuck in, and then wander off for your weekly meat and potato pie. English football is in the gutter :lol: I don't know, just can't understand how the guy has became such an 'expert' within the football media rotation for saying the obvious. I mean it is detailed, and at times its better than most professional experts, but I don't know. Think I'm a bit annoyed that he's sort of spoiled it for others, as guardian removed their chalkboards due to people using them and gaining fame/profit. I'm not debating he's put the time and effort in, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 That Zonal marking vid does back up what some on here have said of Cabaye lately. Looks like he sits deeper to cover Tiote when Tiote goes out to pressure the ball & vice versa. Rather than one always being more advanced than the other, they both interchange. Guthrie basically doesnt bother covering when hes on, so if Cabaye/tiote push fowards aswell it leaves a gap infront of our defence. Prob makes us more attacking though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I'm not saying the video doesn't show that, but its one game in isolation, where Danny Guthrie has come on as a substitute. The games where he started he showed a good defensive workrate and positioning (Spurs game aside). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I guess you should compare it to other clubs though, before reaching definite conclusions. I'm sure that most goals are scored from a central position within the box, so you might not have such a problem there compared to the average team. What's exactly considered a "clearance" in this statistic? Also would love to have a stat for interceptions, tackles are just a part of defending. To me, the really good defenders are the ones that don't allow the ball to reach the attacker they are marking to begin with. Exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Long story short, need Saylor back and fully fit playing at the top of his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 In conclusion Danny Simpson is class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 It's no secret we are a much softer touch when Guthrie plays in the middle. He has added much more effort and fitness to his game but he doesn't know what he's doing defensively. Imo Yohan and Tiote are more intelligent players and fill in holes and press when necessary. Danny will chase after the ball when it isn't needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Don't care what the stats say. Simo let's his man cross the ball far too often and he's horrendous in possession which makes us do more defending than is needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Looking at it, Raylor isn't much cop in the air or in 'ground duels'. Williamson isn't much good at 'successfully headed clearances', less than a third in that dept. Like V.I. says though, be nice to see a definition for that first though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Another tactical discussion on our midfield. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/03/15/tiote-cabaye/ Cant view it though since I'm not in the uk. Anyone knows of any proxies that would work? Tried a bunch of free ones and they're all crap. Further reinforces the reason why we need a link in mindfield between Tiote and Cabaye and HBA, Ba and Cisse......... Tiote and Cabaye are fantastic defensively at stopping teams from creating chances and getting at out back four but once we get the ball there isnt a link to start the attack. Also why we need a back up to Tiote who understands when to press and when to sit like he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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