Kanj Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm as cynical as anyone but you'd be an idiot to not constantly be scouting all positions. This. Scouting should be done in 2 processes right? Scout for future/academy/potential & scout for 1st team, any position, anyone who can upgrade. Yup. Our problem is that we aren't doing it to upgrade and rarely have over the years. I assume Carr has a fucking boat load of players on the docket that get knocked far down the list due to personal ambitions and all that. I think of Carr's role as a deal person who sources real estate deals, and you have a specific criteria, and you my friend, Disco - know exactly what the criteria is.... SO he's hand cuffed essentially. But all jokes aside we just seem to only go after need players to fill gaps. Right back sold? Sign new right back. Striker gone? Sign Striker. All reactionary and cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 We started scouting his replacement 12 months ago according to The Chronicle Six months after buying him. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same for every player. It's in the mission statement ffs. Just another reason why we'll never do anything of significance. We'd need a manager far better than Alan fucking Pardew to mould such an ever-changing first team into something sustainable. And that's why he's our manager of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 replacement in first thats new, we'll see I suppose But we haven't have we, we've sold Debuchy but as it stands an offer for Janmaat hasn't been accepted. Now say we bid and it's turned down, Debuchy gets annouced to Arsenal and we are back to normal pretending to try to sign someone before the window slams shut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 If only Kanji. More like striker sold, go without replacement for over a year, midfielder sold, do no replace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 replacement in first thats new, we'll see I suppose But we haven't have we, we've sold Debuchy but as it stands an offer for Janmaat hasn't been accepted. Now say we bid and it's turned down, Debuchy gets annouced to Arsenal and we are back to normal pretending to try to sign someone before the window slams shut. Debuchy is likely got everything done but being signed up, may have even signed the contract on his side but not signed by Newcastle who won't sign it until the deal is done for replacement. He jets off for vacation and he prays supremo Lee Charn gets the deal done for Janmaat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doesn't even make sense anyway, are they seriously suggesting we could decide to keep Debuchy at this point? If we were serious about this concept, any replacement would have been here weeks ago. I don't mean to defend the c*nts in charge, but bit hard to achieve that when the supposed replacement is playing at the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 If only Kanji. More like striker sold, go without replacement for over a year, midfielder sold, do no replace. Well, yeah, I know, didn't think I needed to say that mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm as cynical as anyone but you'd be an idiot to not constantly be scouting all positions. This. Scouting should be done in 2 processes right? Scout for future/academy/potential & scout for 1st team, any position, anyone who can upgrade. Yup. Our problem is that we aren't doing it to upgrade and rarely have over the years. I assume Carr has a fucking boat load of players on the docket that get knocked far down the list due to personal ambitions and all that. I think of Carr's role as a deal person who sources real estate deals, and you have a specific criteria, and you my friend, Disco - know exactly what the criteria is.... SO he's hand cuffed essentially. But all jokes aside we just seem to only go after need players to fill gaps. Right back sold? Sign new right back. Striker gone? Sign Striker. All reactionary and cheap. So unfortunately true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 replacement in first thats new, we'll see I suppose But we haven't have we, we've sold Debuchy but as it stands an offer for Janmaat hasn't been accepted. Now say we bid and it's turned down, Debuchy gets annouced to Arsenal and we are back to normal pretending to try to sign someone before the window slams shut. Feyenoord will sell Janmaat this summer, that is certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doesn't even make sense anyway, are they seriously suggesting we could decide to keep Debuchy at this point? If we were serious about this concept, any replacement would have been here weeks ago. I don't mean to defend the c*nts in charge, but bit hard to achieve that when the supposed replacement is playing at the World Cup. Plenty of other clubs seem to have managed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doesn't even make sense anyway, are they seriously suggesting we could decide to keep Debuchy at this point? If we were serious about this concept, any replacement would have been here weeks ago. I don't mean to defend the c*nts in charge, but bit hard to achieve that when the supposed replacement is playing at the World Cup. Plenty of other clubs seem to have managed. Tbf, I don't think Louis van Gaal would have accepted players being on the blower to their agent continuously to push through a transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 replacement in first thats new, we'll see I suppose But we haven't have we, we've sold Debuchy but as it stands an offer for Janmaat hasn't been accepted. Now say we bid and it's turned down, Debuchy gets annouced to Arsenal and we are back to normal pretending to try to sign someone before the window slams shut. Feyenoord will sell Janmaat this summer, that is certain. Course they will, he's got 12 months left on his deal. It's the only reason we're interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doesn't even make sense anyway, are they seriously suggesting we could decide to keep Debuchy at this point? If we were serious about this concept, any replacement would have been here weeks ago. I don't mean to defend the c*nts in charge, but bit hard to achieve that when the supposed replacement is playing at the World Cup. Plenty of other clubs seem to have managed. How many players have actually moved while playing at the World Cup? I personally can't think of any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 David Luiz is one. I'm certain there have been others. Of course there's only one right back in the world that we can afford to replace Debuchy, and there was no chance whatsoever of signing him before the World Cup started. How come Arsenal managed to get Debuchy btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Fabregas moved to Chelsea when he was out there iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 replacement in first thats new, we'll see I suppose But we haven't have we, we've sold Debuchy but as it stands an offer for Janmaat hasn't been accepted. Now say we bid and it's turned down, Debuchy gets annouced to Arsenal and we are back to normal pretending to try to sign someone before the window slams shut. Feyenoord will sell Janmaat this summer, that is certain. Course they will, he's got 12 months left on his deal. It's the only reason we're interested. Plus he won't renew and they need the cash. Quite interesting by the way how Feyenoord have mini-BVB'ed their way out of financial ruin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 replacement in first thats new, we'll see I suppose But we haven't have we, we've sold Debuchy but as it stands an offer for Janmaat hasn't been accepted. Now say we bid and it's turned down, Debuchy gets annouced to Arsenal and we are back to normal pretending to try to sign someone before the window slams shut. Debuchy is likely got everything done but being signed up, may have even signed the contract on his side but not signed by Newcastle who won't sign it until the deal is done for replacement. He jets off for vacation and he prays supremo Lee Charn gets the deal done for Janmaat I'd love to think that's true but after witnessing how these fuck ups work, Debuchy will be all signed sealed and delivered and we haven't even bidded yet. Hope you're right though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Fabregas moved to Chelsea when he was out there iirc Barca signed the Chile ? GK while he was at the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doesn't even make sense anyway, are they seriously suggesting we could decide to keep Debuchy at this point? If we were serious about this concept, any replacement would have been here weeks ago. I don't mean to defend the c*nts in charge, but bit hard to achieve that when the supposed replacement is playing at the World Cup. Plenty of other clubs seem to have managed. How many players have actually moved while playing at the World Cup? I personally can't think of any. New Barca GK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Fabregas to Chelsea was announced the 2nd day of tournament and David Luiz to PSG a day later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The whole 'selling Colback to West Ham' story seems to be a lot more believable right now. Ashley's whole approach to negotiating with other clubs appears to be based on the strategy of 'I know you are, but what am I?'. And then calling out their mommas. If the Janmaat deal is anything like that one then I am only going to say well done Ashley. Better to lock the deal in than end up being screwed by porn barons pretending to be football owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Fabregas moved to Chelsea when he was out there iirc Before the tournament actually started and Luiz was done ages before, it was just confirmed while he was out there. I haven't actually seen any deals that needed the player to complete the deal while actual games with said player were going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 And what special circumstances mean we have to do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doesn't even make sense anyway, are they seriously suggesting we could decide to keep Debuchy at this point? If we were serious about this concept, any replacement would have been here weeks ago. I don't mean to defend the c*nts in charge, but bit hard to achieve that when the supposed replacement is playing at the World Cup. Plenty of other clubs seem to have managed. How many players have actually moved while playing at the World Cup? I personally can't think of any. New Barca GK. They may have struck a deal, not saying that. But the deal wasn't actually done until after Chile were eliminated. Had his medical 2 days after iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 'But the World Cup...' Hook, line and sinker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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