Mistle17 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Under Pardew we have two methods of playing a game: 1) We score first, then our heart stops and we lose any sort of interest and momentum in winning the game and sit deeper and deeper, letting the oppo have as much of the ball as they like, tearing us apart on the break whenever we venture forward, and eventually concede (not winning the game). or 2) We start completely disjointed and lethargic, unable to string two passes together as we disgracefully play it long to our isolated striker(s). The opposition score and we give it 'a go' in the last 20 minutes when its too late, by either giving the ball to Ben Arfa and watch him try and beat 11 opposing players or we hoof it into the box and hope to win the scraps and poke it in. It's absolutely desperate and rotten to watch. This honestly reminds me of when Allardyce was in charge, it's truly woeful. I wish Pardew would pack his bags tonight and leave, he doesn't deserve to be within 10 miles of this great club let alone managing it. Tonight summed it all up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I wonder how much the players believe in his tactics. It must be amazingly disturbing for some of our foreign players, to come from good footballing styles and coaches, to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 On 22/11/2012 at 23:32, Gallowgate Toon said: I wonder how much the players believe in his tactics. It must be amazingly disturbing for some of our foreign players, to come from good footballing styles and coaches, to this. I dont think they believe in it at all, and that makes us even more ultra callaway limited edt. shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It was always going to be difficult tbf, we were going to need something magical to be able to beat Maritimo AND Southampton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 An unsteady ship like us is never going to return from Southampton with all the points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Watching how he started out the season, in terms of PR and general confidence, it's saddening to see what he's turned into. He looks knackered and some of his recent quotes have been what I'd expect Partridge to come out with. That 4-3-3 guff with Swansea was incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 This game stunk of Graeme Souness syndrome. Pards needed a win for his own reputation so he paraded an unnecessarily strong team in a meaningless game. So we ended up losing two key players in an attempt to massage Pardew's ego. That's without even going into the mechanics of the game itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 On 22/11/2012 at 23:12, Shak said: Quote Quote Ashley being willing to take the risk. I don't think it's as open and shut as you make it out to be tbh. I agree Ashley wants to run the club on the cheap but I also don't think he's going to be happy to just stay in the Premiership, playing s*** football along the way. He's not going to be bringing in any big transfer fees for players if our players look absolutely clueless out there either. How much would Cisse have gone for in the summer? Now compare it to how much he'd go for now, after spending three months looking like Ali Dia out there due to us looking f***ing clueless? A valid point but probably a minor one. You only have to look around the inside of SJP to see where his priorities lie, and how little value he places on aesthetics. It pains me to say it but SJP has become an eyesore, probably the ugliest stadium in the PL after Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 On 22/11/2012 at 23:39, TRon said: This game stunk of Graeme Souness syndrome. Pards needed a win for his own reputation so he paraded an unnecessarily strong team in a meaningless game. So we ended up losing two key players in an attempt to massage Pardew's ego. That's without even going into the mechanics of the game itself. Even Souness's team would regularly turn up on a Thursday and give some minnows a good pasting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 How the hell did we get here in five and half months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 On 22/11/2012 at 23:44, Wullie said: Quote This game stunk of Graeme Souness syndrome. Pards needed a win for his own reputation so he paraded an unnecessarily strong team in a meaningless game. So we ended up losing two key players in an attempt to massage Pardew's ego. That's without even going into the mechanics of the game itself. Even Souness's team would regularly turn up on a Thursday and give some minnows a good pasting. Remember beating Olympiakos 4-0 in what was probably one of the best performances that season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 On 22/11/2012 at 23:46, Lorry In Boat said: How the hell did we get here in five and half months? Via five years of spin and bad boardroom decisions? If things don't pick up soon we'll be back where we were when Ashely took over but with an extra £60m or so of debt and a ground that looks like a dart players shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Hard to say much without sounding wildly OTT so I'll give him the next two games before I wade in here. Two games which we won (Saints=any relegated) last season with the kind of gritty performances we seem so keen to emulate this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 We need an international break Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 23/11/2012 at 00:07, Fenham Mag said: We need an managerial break fyp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Manager>options>Go on holiday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 22/11/2012 at 22:50, toon25 said: Quote This clueless silver fuckwit is making my life miserable, as if it isn't miserable enough with the creature from the hideous lagoon needing birthday and x-mas gifts. Bimpy you aren't half a sod to Mrs Bimps. Poor woman. Well tbf to me, she is a hard woman to like, like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I worry we've gone past the point now of problems that can be solved with selection or tactical decisions on a given matchday. There is quite clearly something critically wrong with the way the players are being coached and I honestly don't know how we're going to put it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Can't see us playing well again until everyone is fit/not suspended. So ben arfa, tiote, jonas, cabaye, ba etc all fit and in better form. But even then we need a dramatic re-think on our tactics and gameplan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 23/11/2012 at 00:59, Wullie said: I worry we've gone past the point now of problems that can be solved with selection or tactical decisions on a given matchday. There is quite clearly something critically wrong with the way the players are being coached and I honestly don't know how we're going to put it right. The question everyone needs to ask themselves is "can you see it getting any better?" Don't think about how to fix it or why we're doing as badly as we are, just simply "will it get better?" I honestly think we're in quicksand this season and Pardew has history with losing the dressing room and the crowd. He just isn't learning from his mistakes, which is unforgivable in such an important job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Think it's time to move ahead without him. Poor football for two years except for 10 or so games is just not acceptable and we've been made to look like fools awarding him an 8 year contract. With the players at his disposal he should not be playing a defensive long ball style of football. I also think formations are a huge part to why we're doing so poorly considering most teams have a 3 man midfield now, with us playing with two in the middle our cm's are always outnumbered so we're fighting a battle before games have even kicked off. Tactics wise he has been so poor this season it's shocking from a professional manager. Having one set piece plan that has never been successful and one dimensional that now opposition teams know if they can stop Williamson winning the ball in the air they can nullify our whole set piece routine thus killing all threat. I would like Pardew to be able to prove he can turn it all around and get the team fighting back up the table but I know the results would come with the poor football. We've played a direct style for pretty much all of Pardew's tenure except for that small burst last season with the 4-3-3. The direct game did pay off sometimes last season with the win against Man Utd being a great example. In an ideal world we'd dismiss Pardew and replace him with a manager who plays passing attacking football because with the side we have our whole team would relish from it ( Williamson and Simpson aside). I have no faith what so ever in this board to 1) have the balls to realise that Pardew needs to go 2) find the correct man for our team to replace him as a compensation fee would be required as a manager of the quality required will no doubt have a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It's funny, but this is the first time I'm grateful that a majority of our fans are kneejerkers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Get it sorted Alan, come on man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I wish he could make it work but there's probably no way back for him if we lose at Southampton. He's already just about lost the fans and the dressing room will probably soon follow. This is crazy, given that we're only in November of a season after finishing fifth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 23/11/2012 at 04:09, oldtype said: I wish he could make it work but there's probably no way back for him if we lose at Southampton. He's already just about lost the fans and the dressing room will probably soon follow. This is crazy, given that we're only in November of a season after finishing fifth. Your pessimism is fucking sickeningly true. I'm with you. And we just gave the bloke an 8 year deal. He's going to turn this around. He has to. We need him to. And the players won't let him down. Surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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