nufc4eva Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Now I hope people can shut up about playing 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 again we tried it today for the first half, with only one man up top in Ba we try to hoof it to him. No matter what formation, Pardew will not cut out hoofs. I think the main problem is shoe horning Cisse in on right, he in no way can play anywhere but up top but Pardew insists on playing both of them, much better throwing Marveux out left and Ben Arfa there. It's the most baffling thing to put this square peg in a round hole, Cisse does not have the touch, dribbling or pace to play wide. It's just not his game strange Pardew tried to shoe horn all strikers out wide. Leon Best, Shola, Ba, that is what he does. Because he's obsessed with set plays! The more tall strikers you have in the starting line-up the more chances of set plays and hoofs landing on a nufc player, in theory that is, except it doesn't f***ing work during open play never mind set play. We are useless with set plays like, absolutely no point we may as well just let them have the free kick. That is the most worrying thing for me that he doesn't have the capability to get anywhere near fluid football from us while he insists on putting strikers on the wing. It's horrible to watch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Now I hope people can shut up about playing 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 again we tried it today for the first half, with only one man up top in Ba we try to hoof it to him. No matter what formation, Pardew will not cut out hoofs. I think the main problem is shoe horning Cisse in on right, he in no way can play anywhere but up top but Pardew insists on playing both of them, much better throwing Marveux out left and Ben Arfa there. It's the most baffling thing to put this square peg in a round hole, Cisse does not have the touch, dribbling or pace to play wide. It's just not his game strange Pardew tried to shoe horn all strikers out wide. Leon Best, Shola, Ba, that is what he does. Because he's obsessed with set plays! The more tall strikers you have in the starting line-up the more chances of set plays and hoofs landing on a nufc player, in theory that is, except it doesn't f***ing work during open play never mind set play. He did it with Best twice and Ba came to us as a wide forward. As for Shola, when? I remember seeing Shola on the right at some point this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 All the top jobs seem to be coming up and Marcelo Bielsa keeps getting ignored. Probably out of our reach but he is the sort of person who we should be looking to get, attacking football, does things right and goes by unnoticed, bring success. How does he go by unnoticed? Everybody was salivating over him and Athletic last season. Only for a few months towards the end of the season, everything seems to have gone quiet on him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Now I hope people can shut up about playing 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 again we tried it today for the first half, with only one man up top in Ba we try to hoof it to him. No matter what formation, Pardew will not cut out hoofs. I think the main problem is shoe horning Cisse in on right, he in no way can play anywhere but up top but Pardew insists on playing both of them, much better throwing Marveux out left and Ben Arfa there. It's the most baffling thing to put this square peg in a round hole, Cisse does not have the touch, dribbling or pace to play wide. It's just not his game strange Pardew tried to shoe horn all strikers out wide. Leon Best, Shola, Ba, that is what he does. Because he's obsessed with set plays! The more tall strikers you have in the starting line-up the more chances of set plays and hoofs landing on a nufc player, in theory that is, except it doesn't f***ing work during open play never mind set play. He did it with Best twice and Ba came to us as a wide forward. As for Shola, when? He has played Shola on the right a few times this season and he has looked shocking every time (Because he is a shocking player) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Today was really bad for him. Bringing Shola on for HBA basically lost the game. We lost all the shape we had after that sub and Shola did absolutely nothing. If you have to take HBA off you bring Marveaux in to do what HBA was doing. It's a joke Marveaux only got 5 minutes today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I do too, but when and for how long? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Just heard his interview after that game and can't really disagree with what he said really, thought it was a pretty honest account of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 All the top jobs seem to be coming up and Marcelo Bielsa keeps getting ignored. Probably out of our reach but he is the sort of person who we should be looking to get, attacking football, does things right and goes by unnoticed, bring success. How does he go by unnoticed? Everybody was salivating over him and Athletic last season. Only for a few months towards the end of the season, everything seems to have gone quiet on him now. Could be down to Athletic being pretty average again and him falling out with their best player. Don't think he can speak English anyway and he'd be far too clever for a lot of our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Half the problems stem from him ducking the Ba/Cisse descision. No such hassles at Villa where the hardworking Benteke has cast Bent into the wilderness. Descision made early doors. It's called being a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 My Christmas wish is for Wonga to put pressure on Ashley and sack the son of a bitch and get Jol in...Santa nv comes though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think we can all safely say that Hughton definitely wasn't replaced by Pardew for footballing reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 My Christmas wish is for Wonga to put pressure on Ashley and sack the son of a bitch and get Jol in...Santa nv comes though We just tell Fulham Jol is coming to us now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 God I forgot about Wonga, got that nightmare to live with next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think we can all safely say that Hughton definitely wasn't replaced by Pardew for footballing reasons. Of course he wasn't. In spite of the popularity Pardew gained last season, surely that's always been a given? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think we can all safely say that Hughton definitely wasn't replaced by Pardew for footballing reasons. Definitely proves it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think we can all safely say that Hughton definitely wasn't replaced by Pardew for footballing reasons. Of course he wasn't. In spite of the popularity Pardew gained last season, surely that's always been a given? It has, but that was always the excuse from above. They can't use that one anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Half the problems stem from him ducking the Ba/Cisse descision. No such hassles at Villa where the hardworking Benteke has cast Bent into the wilderness. Descision made early doors. It's called being a manager. He's a coward. Up till now still hasn't sorted that situation out, but will slag off the youngsters and reserves, after not preparing them well enough for the bordeaux game. The man's an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 boarding up the training ground, clearly worked a treat, because it takes a genius to work out where Pardew plays his players and formations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Is he actually under any pressure? All managers in most jobs are under pressure to perform and that makes them succeed in most cases imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieT Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Can easily see us only picking up a point or three from the next five games. At what point does his position become untenable? If it gets to the point where we only have one win in ten games or something he is practically indefensible and even Ashley in pursuit of stability must realise that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Am I right in thinking that we've played every forward line imaginable without Ba ever playing anywhere other than in the middle? It's pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 boarding up the training ground, clearly worked a treat, because it takes a genius to work out where Pardew plays his players and formations. The paranoia is a clear sign he's cracking up. Really thinks it takes that much effort to dismantle his rubbish teams and tactics. Clearly rates himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateRegistration Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 To all those proposing he should go who do you propose we replace him with? Apart from the Hughton sacking, which was obviously done with Pardew lined up sacking a manager mid crisis rarely results in a positive step up. Just thinking back to the Kinnear appointment, the Hughton/calderwood combination once he took ill, then the Shearer appointment, then stumbling upon appointing Hughton as a permanent appointment after relegation. Even if we can identify some managers who may be a step up e.g Jol, Martinez would they come work under Ashley? The real problem for me isn't the system/ tactics, they've largely been unchanged from last season which we obviously did so well. The problems are too many players are out if form Jonas, Tiote, Colo (recently), even Timmy apart from tonight. These are players who were playing out of their skin last year. Secondly there's been the injuries and the extra games. Obviously this should have been addressed in our summer transfer window, is this Pardew's fault? Probably not, it's unlikely he has much say with regards hammering through deals for transfers. Ultimately it's probably Mike Ashley's head we should be calling for, probably have less influence on removing him I know but he's the one holding us back. Until this board are rid of we are not going to show the ambition required to consistently remain challenging in the top 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Am I right in thinking that we've played every forward line imaginable without Ba ever playing anywhere other than in the middle? It's pathetic. aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Is he actually under any pressure? All managers in most jobs are under pressure to perform and that makes them succeed in most cases imo. If we lose to City, Manchester United, Arsenal and Everton, it's 10 defeats out of 12. Hard to stomach whatever contract you're on. Add a failure to get something off QPR and I think Ashley will take action. He can't afford to see us slipping into relegation drama again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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