Jack Flash Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Could be a case of it being his last chance as well though tbf. Possibly, but I just can't see Lithe Mike being so on the fence when he's planning on spending money. Writing off January signings in June would literally kill him. Having said all this I don't even think Pardew has much say in transfers anyway and the next manager would have similar control levels so maybe it wouldn't be too much upheaval. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 We can't get rid of Pardew - we'll replace him with someone who will get us relegated. Er.... I'd much rather the club took a f***ing roll of the dice and failed than let us sink like a stone. Changing it didn't work last time - and Kinnear was a far lesser manager (at that point) than Pardew, fwiw. I'd much rather we maintain stability because any 'manager' coming into this mess will take 10 games to figure out that Danny Simpson isn't England class and Shola hasn't 'got every attribute going'. We'll end up with some c*** like Neil Warnock who'll put the players in ice baths and drop Coloccini for a bigger lad and p*ss away point after point - not even winning the easy ones. Pardew needs to go in the summer but we're best off with him until then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I've wanted him gone for quite some time, but now isn't the time as we're at the beginning of one of our most important transfer windows ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Leave a player up at set-pieces man you dope. Drives me fucking spare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 in fairness, we're pissing away point after point now aren't we? and we have a manager who seems to think shola is falcao anyway it's an obvious thing to say but unless we were guaranteed a manager with an ounce of common sense then we have to stick with pardew, i agree with that can't think of anyone available right now who we could even get, suppose curbishley is out of work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 We can't get rid of Pardew - we'll replace him with someone who will get us relegated. Er.... I'd much rather the club took a f***ing roll of the dice and failed than let us sink like a stone. Changing it didn't work last time - and Kinnear was a far lesser manager (at that point) than Pardew, fwiw. I'd much rather we maintain stability because any 'manager' coming into this mess will take 10 games to figure out that Danny Simpson isn't England class and Shola hasn't 'got every attribute going'. We'll end up with some c*** like Neil Warnock who'll put the players in ice baths and drop Coloccini for a bigger lad and p*ss away point after point - not even winning the easy ones. Pardew needs to go in the summer but we're best off with him until then. I just feel like they've either got a good recruitment plan or they haven't. I know generally speaking, there's more chance of getting a manager to jump ship in the summer than mid-season. But do you trust that this board is savvy enough to get a better manager in in the summer than they'd get now? Because I feel like the choice will be so fucking random that we might as well just get it out of the way now. Call it pure fucking apathy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre seems well out of date like but still...di matteo to the end of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The more i reflect on Pardew's smooth talking in the press (ie. all the observations of lack of fluidity in attack, movement) the level of respect i have for Kinnear & Pulis grows, by default really. Pulis is just a c***, i had a soft spot for Kinnear though (in Crazy Gang Days) because he was more of a loveable rogue. They're anti- football c***s but at least they never hid behind an avalanche of psuedo talk of how football should be played. I hate their philosophies, but they never pretended to be something they weren't. In contrast Pulis and Kinnear were able to foster the 'you all hate my bruising antifootball, but you can all get f***ed' rebellious attitude into the fibres of their clubs, and they accomplished this with great effect. At least JK and TP's Us vs The Football World galvanised what were mostly blue-collar/british playing lists, and the supporters embraced it wholeheartedly. Pardew has neither on both fronts ie. Carr's collection of technical footballers from the continent, and a supporter base that will have a gutfull of this in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The fact that he's still in charge now and we're giving "him" money to spend surely means he's here for the long haul The bigger problem isn't his 8 year contract, it's that Ashley and Llambias have shown no clue that they know how to appoint a football manager. So even if we sack him what's the chances they'll make a good appointment? All we can really do is buy enough good players and hope that Pardew picks enough of them in the right positions to win enough points to keep us up. From what I've seen the less management Pardew does, the better our chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I'm really holding on to the last of my patience with him now. It's so difficult when he does things like starting Shola and playing him for 90 minutes, keeping our lethal finisher out wide, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. We're constantly being told (by him) that because we're Newcastle there are a few teams we just can't compete with financially, and I accept that. There's even the fact that we're in the north east which could put players off who'd rather live in London, and I accept that too. The thing is though, we need to make up for these factors by having a manager who can make us more than the sum of our parts, the manager should be giving us an edge over opponents that we're fairly equal too, and giving us a fighting chance against the massive clubs. He's not doing any of that. I expect us to pick up a few results in the next couple of months, but I don't think it'll be anything to do with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. Switching Cisse centrally would put Marveaux up front and then somebody who wouldn't normally be playing in the center. That's three players displaced from the formation they've been practicing all week. It didn't pay off but it's a somewhat understandable decision. We won't be having this problem again, at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. The formation he prepared for all week was crap in it's own right. It hasn't worked all season and we end up losing all shape in most games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. It wasnt an hour before kick off though. And also, i'm concerned that a Premiership manager cant adjust to setbacks like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. Switching Cisse centrally would put Marveaux up front and then somebody who wouldn't normally be playing in the center. That's three players displaced from the formation they've been practicing all week. It didn't pay off but it's a somewhat understandable decision. We won't be having this problem again, at least. He could had played Bigi. Tiote and Anita in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Poll Losing- yes Lost - Not yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. Switching Cisse centrally would put Marveaux up front and then somebody who wouldn't normally be playing in the center. That's three players displaced from the formation they've been practicing all week. It didn't pay off but it's a somewhat understandable decision. We won't be having this problem again, at least. He could had played Bigi. Tiote and Anita in midfield. Right, like I said, that's three players (Bigi, Marveaux, Cisse) displaced from the positions they'd been drilling for all week. (Closer to two I suppose, since Bigi would have been preparing to play CM anway) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Thought he'd be getting more stick than he did at the game today tbf, only heard one little radgie kid shout anything and he got told to shut his face Same here. The group I was sitting with took the view that Ashley had hung him out to dry over the summer and there was little Pardew could do to turn things around with the players at his disposal. With respect, were any of them watching us at the beginning of the season? We've been shit for the entire thing so far, that falls at the managers feet imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I foolishly keep thinking he's turned the corner. For nearly the full game against Man U and for 70 minutes against Arsenal, we played some fantastic stuff with a weakened team. We outpassed and had more possession than Arsenal FFS and kept the ball down. Soft goals and fatigue cost us in both matches. Then, when the pressure is back on at home to get a result, we revert to type, play hopeful, aimless long balls and lack any craft, gameplan or style. You could hear him bellowing out when to go long last night and our players always took a touch, then booted it long. You can't say the same in the last two games. So whilst we all have a go at the likes of Willo, Simpson, Perch and Krul for going long all the while, every fucker is at it. I accept injuries and a small squad (talent wise, not numbers) has played a part. But I've had it with him. It's not just that the football is ugly and frustrating to watch, it's how clueless it all is. We don't have the players for his prehistoric tactics to work, yet we continue with them any way. Watching us float the ball to Distin and Heitinga all night was fucking painful and depressing. You may as well turn off or leave when the other team scores, as it's painfully obvious we will play even more hoofball, become even more disjointed and we won't get anything from the game. I have never felt like this with any other manager. We have had worse managers that play even worse football, but Pardew has some good players at his disposal, that are being criminally misused. Even in the relegation season, I din't think "point at best" after we go a goal down. That record of his is a joke. He doesn't know how to change the game for the good, his subs are usually baffling and the way we set up is laughable. So it's no wonder we never do fuck all after conceeding. We're stuck with this guy, but I really wouldn't care if he got sacked today TBH. History seems to be repeating itself and all those Charlton, Reading, West Ham and Southampton fans are looking like they were spot on. Charlatan and a fraud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. If he cant switch things in a couple of hours what chance has he got during a game, explains his shit subs etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. If he cant switch things in a couple of hours what chance has he got during a game, explains his shit subs etc He could have changed it, but what about the players? Would they be comfortable with an entirely different set of instructions, for a different position, a couple of hours before a game? He made the right, if unpopular, call last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. Which was the wrong decision, incidentally. Just like it was the wrong decision every other time he's done it. Shola in for Ba is one decision he's being criticised for amongst a whole host of other shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. If he cant switch things in a couple of hours what chance has he got during a game, explains his shit subs etc He could have changed it, but what about the players? Would they be comfortable with an entirely different set of instructions, for a different position, a couple of hours before a game? He made the right, if unpopular, call last night. and paid the price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Do me a favour. How hard is it to tell a striker to play in a striker's role and attacking forwards, (Obertan and Marveaux), to play offensively and create chances, while also tracking back when needed. Football is a simple game, people try and over complicate it far too much with intricate tactics and instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 We have had worse managers that play even worse football, but Pardew has some good players at his disposal, that are being criminally misused. there it is in a nutshell for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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